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Volterra_90 on 18 December 2015
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Virlando said:
superchunk said:

1. Fact is, Kylo Ren was hurt by the time he was fighting either of them so he was largely defensive and he was also conflicted due to events just proir to that scene and you can tell he was a little bit worried about Ren's force awakening. 

2. Additionally, Finn lost rather quickly and Rey was assisted by her growing understanding of the Force combined with Kylo Ren's injuries / mental/emotional state. Clearly why he has to go finish his training.

 

1. I am sory mate but you need to see this. If one can easily deflect or just stop incoming laser shots, then one can easily do that with another single shot from far distance. Unless he doesn't consider wookies to be any good at shooting, or maybe he thinks that shot from a crossbow won't do to much harm to him. It's just silly and unexplainable. One way he is perfect of what he's doing, and the other he doesn't know how to do it any more. Just bad writing if you ask me. 

2. And when it comes to Ray... and her knowledge of the force. Why something so serious as the force, and so intelligently ballanced now becomes nothing special really. Just something that happens like that and no one needs any master ever. It was a long journey for Luke to know how to use the force. And I can accept that she can sense something, because she was told that the force exists and she can now be aware of that and find herself sensitive about it. But I will never accept the fact that she can beat someone properly trained as a Jedi/Sith the same day she learned she might be talented. This is just another misunderstanding.

The movie, overal, has very serious problem being sensible. 

1. He has just killed his father. Don't you think he wasn't exactly focused to see that coming?

2. There are some people who born force-sensitive. That's the case of Rey, it's not a knowledge, it's just in there and she started to fell it and use it in that Starkiller scape. And his fight with Kylo, he was obviously troubled, badly wounded (he barely keep himself on his feet while he was fighting), we've already seen Rey beating some asses in her first scenes in Kappu, so she's obviously a good fighter... And he's not properly trained. In fact, near the movie's end, Snoke said that he needs more training. So, wounded, troubled because he can't use the dark side of the Force properly and he has just killed his father, and with the planet colapsing and against a Force sensitive person. No, it doesn't seem weird to me that she managed to beat him.