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Soundwave on 17 December 2015
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FromDK said:
Soundwave said:
Nintendo needs to forget the Wii and DS. It's never happening again, the market is completely different.

First.. Why are you saying this.. Offcourse the marked is not the same..

And you know that NX will be a brand new concept.. and you also know know that  Tatsumi recently said that NX will not be anything like WiiU or 3DS (and that also means wii/ds)

Soundwave said:
In 2004-2006 they had basically no challenger to casual gaming whatsoever for one, leaving it as something that was completely wide open for the taking.

Not really.. ps2 was pretty big at the time.. singstar, buzz. G hero.. eyetoy and so.. there was psp.. and ipod also got games in 2006.

You do not "take" a market without a good product.. Nintendo had products people want.. deal with it.

Soundwave said:
They also got a bit lucky ... they are not the visionary genius' when it comes to these types of fads that people think, which is why they haven't been able to replicate such success since 2008 (where's that Vitality Sensor, Nintendo?).

These type of fads.. Do you know what that word means ?  Touch gaming is evrywhere.. and all things now have motion/gyro..?

Vitality Sensor is yet be seen yes.. mayby they skiped it.. But more likely they moved it to QOL instead.

Soundwave said:
The Wiimote was not even create entirely by them, it fell into their lap because the guy who invented it tried to sell it to Sony and Microsoft first but they didn't bite. If they had ... then what? What was Nintendo's plan for that gen?

Are you sure about that.. I know that some guy/company offeret Nintendo and sony kinnect before MS.. (mayby you mixing em together)

I have followed all news regarding gaming since I got internet in 2000.. I have never heard that before..

Do you have a link.. anything suporting that.. (and not some bizarre lawsuit some guy/company lost)

Soundwave said:
Even the touch screen on the DS, Iwata admitted they didn't have that idea initially, Yamauchi insisted the device have two screens for some arbitrary reason and once they were forced to do that, then they had to figure out what to do with the second screen so they made it a touch screen.

Yes.. They dident have the final design when they startet working on it.. what the f..k are you meaning.. all thing starts that way.. ?

Soundwave said:
Nintendo's attempts at making a "gimmick" from the ground have resulted in the Wii U Game Pad and the 3D screen on the 3DS.

Screen on the controller.. its the future..  Glasses free 3D.. is the future.. mayby not for Nintendo.. but still part of the future.. = not a gimmick

You may call it "gimmick" just like you proberly did with.. Motion control.. Touch control.. Voice control.. and the spreaker in the controller.. but as I see it.. all data suggest the opposite.

Soundwave said:
You tell me how that's working out for them.

They still make good games people like (they sell more 1. party games than sony and ms)

3DS.. is also a big success..

You may think that becourse its not reaching 100 mill.. its not.. but thats not true.. in a world gone "Smartdevice" and looking at vita.. 3DS is infact "working out" for them.

 

1.) Yes Eye Toy and Sing Star were doing well, but Sony basically backed off that and was never going to make a "casual console" because they had too much success with the existing audience. Hence by 2005 or so, Nintendo had that casual market all to themselves. There was no iPhone or tablets or anything. Just PS3 at $600 and XBox 360 and the PSP. None of which were making any real efforts to get casual players. 

Yes Wii and DS were successful, but this is TEN YEARS AGO now. Nintendo needs to get over it, this is ancient history, you might as well also say the NES was successful. They were rewarded handsomely for these successes, but its in the *past*. It won't work again. 

2.) What I mean is they have failed to find that "next big fad". They struck it big several times from 2004-2008, but since then they have come up with nothing. And like I said the Wiimote was not even really created by them, it was technology that fell into their lap only because Sony and MS passed on it. So it required a good amount of luck even the first time. I mean hey, if some inventor comes to them today in 2015 and drops a OMGAMAZINGREVOLUTION! controller in their laps, great ... go ahead and make a console around. I just don't see this happening again. It was extreme serendipity that it happened the first time. 

Touch gaming is big, but its benefitting Apple and Google now ... Nintendo, not so much. So yippie they get a ribbon for 'inventing it' ... they can put that next to the one where they invented the analog stick and d-pad. But this doesn't do them any good going forward. They haven't done anything "big" in this area for almost 10 years now. Because it's hard to pull a miracle gimmick out of your hat on demand. 

3.) Tom Quinn is basically the inventor of the Wii motion tech. He took it first to MS and Sony and then finally went to Nintendo only after being rejected by both of them. And even then many at Nintendo were opposed to buying the tech, it was Atushi Asada who decided to buy the tech

http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/wii-was-a-handshake-away-from-not-happening-the-console-saved-nintendo#.VQta_GTF_HM

4.) Nintendo makes great games, but all I'm saying is maybe we should not make the Wii/DS era the be all, end all. They clearly when you look at the Wii and DS had several moments of luck, not the grand master plan that everyone thinks they did. And it shows ... since 2008 ... they haven't been able to iterate on the success of the Wii or DS for shit and basically have lost that entire audience to Apple and Google, who have taken it far beyond what Nintendo ever did. Today more casuals play video games on a daily basis moreso than ever before ... it just happens to be on their phone or tablet.