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midrange on 15 December 2015
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spemanig said:
Hiku said:

I'll start it. Round 1, fight! http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/nov/26/super-smash-bros-most-definitely-fighting-game-and-it-may-have-most-demanding-execution-any-modern-fighter/

 


Smash being competitive =/= Smash being catagorically a fighting game. It's a party brawler. That's a different genre. Not even the game's creator thinks it's a fighting game. Your mistake, as well as the mistake of the writer of that article and the mistake of literally everyone who incorrectly want's to believe that it is a fighting game, is thinking that party brawlers can't be competitive or demand difficult execution. They can and Smash is proof that they are. They are just doing it in a different genre. Guess Pokemon can't a JRPG franchise now because it has a highly competitive scene and has also been featured in fighting game tournaments. That must be a fighting game too. I mean, it's a game where two players with health bars fight each other in tounaments with other health bars after all. Saying that it Smash is "not a real fighting game" is equally stupid. That's just saying it's a "fake" fighting game instead. It's just not a fucking fighting game, period. It's a party brawler. If you want to call it something that sounds less "casual," call it a platform brawler, but it's not a fighting game. And while we're at it, neither are Powerstone or even Pokken. That's not an insult or a discredit - that's an accurate catagorization.

Bastardizing the default mode in Smash until it can more closely resemble that of a fighting game game doesn't magically make it one. That's like saying that MK8 is a racing sim when you play without using items recieved in item blocks, in Baby Park only, and you have to break every time you bump into someone so you nullify the speedboost. That's like saying  "Ninja Gaiden 3 is totally a fighting game when you play online with only two players in a confined space. It's more demanding competitively than any modern fighter." I'm sure it would be more conpetitive. It would just be a very competitively and excecutionally demanding multiplayer mode in a 3rd person action game, and not a fighting game. The same way Smash is a party brawler with a highly technical, highly competitive, and highly popular community created multiplayer ruleset, and not a fighting game.

Fighting games are a catagorical genre, not a qualitative badge of honor. Stop treating them like one. 

There exist sub genres. Smash is an party brawler that exists within the fighting game genre.

Your MK8  comparison is off. MK8 is an arcade racer, so it is pointless to compare it to a racing sim, but since racing sim and arcade racer are sub genres of racing, it is perfectly valid to say MK8 is a racing game.