Nem said:
Mummelmann said:
People who buy Xenoblade X are more mature than people who buy Fallout 4? Or people who form their own opinions are more mature? People who buy Fallout 4 don't have their own opinions? 
I'm sorry, I'm just confused.
As for myself, I played Fallout 1 and 2 and loved them both, Fallout 3 was good but not great, New Vegas was great in my opinion and I'm looking forward to Fallout 4 as well. That opinion and expectation is built around an almost 20 year old love for the series and the setting and not hype or juvenile peer pressure. I'm not saying that many of the buyers won't be the customers brought in by the latter, Bethesda started pulling more casual strings with Oblivion and took it to another level with Skyrim, and it resulted in amazing sales, but there are a lot of people who buy them for being solid titles and for enjoying the settings, gameplay and overall genres as well.
To me, this sounds like another attempt at "people who play Nintendo games are mature, others are not", or "Nintendo gamers are the true hardcore gamers", which is something people have been saying in here for nearly a decade. I could be completely misinterpreting your last bit but it honestly sounds like that old schtick.
I voted Fallout 4 and I'm also being completely honest and not swayed by majority opinion; if anything, I've been a careful skeptic all along and I've offered a bunch of criticism towards Bethesda games and other so called "AAA" games for many years in here. Besides; who's to say that people aren't being swayed by mass opinions on Nintendo platforms as well and not really making their own (mature) choices?
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Wait there, you are twisting my words. I didnt say people voting on F4 aren't mature. I said people voting on F4 and then coming in and saying: "this shows how biased these forums are", aren't mature. A bit of a difference there that is quite significant.
Make no mistake, i love Fallout. This isnt about fallout at all. Its about atitudes. I would say you are trying too hard to find a discrimination where there isnt one. This is not about Nintendo gamers either. Its showing what you like regardless of what the majority or socially acceptable choice is. It makes those that conform themselves to the majority feel quite unconfortable and show their colors, as we have seen.
Also, if you did read my first post on this thread, you would know i'm expecting Fallout 4 to be better, so if i had a bias, it would be a very strange one. This isnt what you thought it was mummel.
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Okay, misunderstanding then! I agree more with this position.
Personally, I found the mindless hype and the inflated scores of the 7th gen unbearable and that's when I started disregarding scores and reviews more and more. Games with fist sized holes and major flaws had them glossed over due to production value and mass appeal and the expectation of great sales and it seems like the 7th gen was ultimate generation for being wooed by developers rather than treated to proper, worthwhile games.
