Do you consider METAL, techno, screamo, etc music or just entertainment?

[Toxy]

padib said:

Toxy said:

I'm not the one who is using their opinion to determine what is and is not music. There is a difference between opinion and fact. That was the whole purpose of me using the earth is flat etc. They were an analogy. I used these analogies as a means to say that your opinion does not change something by its definition. So if the earth is spherical, you cannot say that in your opinion it is not. Just like you cannot say that in your opinion, this is not music, because by definition it is music, just as the earth is spherical. I was not saying you literally believe these things, I was merely saying that your thought process was akin to these things. You were denying fact. That was all I was trying to convey. 
I apologise if I did not convey this clearly. However, my point still stands.

It's not a nice thing to say and it doesn't further your point. It's an easy exit to an argument about what something is, fundamentally.

The definition of music is offered to us by what people over time have considered music. As you said music has changed radically over the years so that definition was refined until everything everyone today considers music can fit.

But I gave you a very good argument. If I sent you a recording of me singing like a goof, with a proper time signature and a common rock structure, you might have a hard time calling it music. You might laugh and call it comedy, or you might cringe and say it's so bad it's hard to call music.

I'm pushing it to the extreme to simply make a point.

Again, I don't think all screamo is not music and I never said that.

I appreciate your apology and I apologize if my point of view upset you. But let's talk about it without taking jabs at each other, it's all I'm asking. I also wanted to say that the feces argument was vulgar I admit, but I used it just to make a point.

@bolded. It is interesting that you say that, as there are actually comedy genres within music. It does not stop it from being music.

My original post was a statement that the OP should not have asked what people 'consider' music, because it is not defined by opinion.

 

If the OP asked this: 

My girlfriend's kids like horror, slasher, and drama styles. I like them myself. Although I just think that they are entertainment and not movies. What do you consider them?

 

This would be considered bad form, as it is evident that films like Scream, Nightmare on Elm Street and the Notebook are movies.

 

This thread should not have been based on opinion whatsoever. It should have been a simple "I am unsure of whether this is music/film, as I am not familiar with this style. Can someone clarify whether it is music/film?"

 

Someone from the thread leaps into the fray and supplies an answer "Yes it is defined as music/film". 

/end thread.