padib said:
@bold. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!! So do I... I gave you proper examples outside of music to show how art can be taken way out of proportion, using something that is not art and calling it art. I showed you a video of what was and what was not visual art. You simply ignored it. Of course the argument applies close enough but is not sufficient to form the complete argument when it comes to music, since visual art and music are both art, but not the same. There are many songs of a man talking with a rif in the back. Some call it rap. In some cases it is done in a way that is thought through and offers something that makes one ponder or brings a sense of appreciation of what is being listened to. But in other cases it is closer to noise than to music. Is this music to you?
Also, slow airs typically don't have a strict time signature. They are certainly music. Music is not exclusively defined by the existence of a time signature. |
That video you have linked is music. It is definitely not very good by any means, but that does not detract from the fact that it is music.
To use your example of art: If someone was to apply faeces onto a canvas or simply draw circles, this is still art. It does not have to be good to be considered art. You are letting your personal tastes define what is and is not music/art. Using your personal bias does not offer a constructive debate.
Music typically has a song structure. Whether that be: Intro, Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, Bridge, Chorus. It does not have to follow this structure, but that is a very basic example of song structure.
I did not ignore your previous video, as I responded multiple times that it was out of context to the discussion at hand.
Heavy Metal, Techno, Screamo, and Trance are musical genres. Whatever you say does not change this fact. You do not have to like them, but to deny that it is music is based on no evidence whatsoever.
Your argument reminds me of the old "The Earth is flat". Anyone with basic knowledge in this day and age knows that the earth is spherical. This is not up to debate, this is proven fact.
Instrumentation, composition, song structures, melodies, vocals, emotion. These are important aspects of music, and different genres of music approach these aspects differently. You appear to be conservative in your thoughts, claiming rap is not music, and that screamed VOCALS is not muysic. You do not realise how many conservative minds have this thought process. Hell when Rock & Roll first came onto the scene it had a lot of criticism and was described as noise by much of the older generation. Now Rock music is a common music staple within modern times. Heavy Metal is a subgenre of Rock. Punk Rock is a subgenre of Rock. Hardcore is a subgenre of Punk Rock. Emocore is a subgenre of Punk Rock. Screamo is a subgenre of Emocore. This is all an evolution of music. Like I said earlier: People during the Renaissance would have listened to much different music to what we listen to now. People during the B.C.E would have listened to different music as well. Music is constantly evolving.
Next time you approach such topics, try to be more openminded, rather than determining yourself as the prime authority of what is music and what is art. It makes you look pretentious. To further iterate on said genres of music, being music: If you go to a music store, to purchase music, that has been compiled onto a CD, you will come across different genres. Amongst said genres are Heavy Metal, Punk Rock, Alternative, Screamo, Hardcore, Rock, Progressive, Synth, Pop, Country, Jazz, Techno, Electronica etc. They are all music. Hence why you would purchase them from a music/record store. Different genres resonate more with different people. As individuals, we all have different tastes. Telling someone that the music that they like is not music because you do not like it, is not only insensitive to their tastes, it is completely and utterly ignorant.
Their is also awesomely unique versions of Heavy Metal, like Pirate Metal, which incorporates Heavy Metal music with that of Pirate style music - themes and all.
Type in musical genres and look at the different types of music that will appear. I dare you.
Okay everyone, I am going to the music store now, so I can not buy music. Lol.
