Do you consider METAL, techno, screamo, etc music or just entertainment?

[Toxy]

padib said:

Toxy said:

If you take the screaming out of context, it is not music. However, when you have intruments, forming a melody, a song has been composed and someone is using screamed vocales to convey an emotion, it most certainly is music. 

Just like spoken word is music (note spoken word is not rap, rap is music too by the way). If people were to read a script and call it a day, that would not be music. But to read words in such a way, that it reflects the melody of a song, it is certainly music.

 

You clearly have no knowledge of time signatures, rhythms, or music theory for that matter. You can not decide what is and is not music beause you have a clear bias against it. 

I am not a fan of country music, but I cannot claim that it is not real music, because of the lyrical content, vocal style, and I cannot claim that a banjo is not a real instrument or anything of the sort. That would be completely and utterly wrong. 

I did not want to have to do this, but I actually have knowledge in music, having studied it and being in a band myself, witnessing many forms of music before my very eyes (and through my ears). Some things I did not like, some things were surprising to me. But I was never ignorant enough to claim that it is not music.

 

Put in short, you can educate someone who wants to be educated. You can reason with someone who is willing to be reasoned with. And then there are people like you, who will not listen, despite their lack of knowledge.

Like I said, if a song has been composed, has an arrangement of different sounds and rhythms, conveys emotions, can be performed etc. It is by definition music. People can either dance, sing a long, or 'mosh' to said music. Different genres of music tend to convey different sounds and emotions. Your lack of musical knowledge is similar to those that would claim that rock is "the devil's music". When such statements are made, it is hard to take the person seriously. 

You don't have to like it, however, it is still music regardless.

 

For context, I would not argue with a doctor what is and is not an organ. That would be completely foolish. The doctor has studied human biology, while I have (to a lesser degree), the doctor's knowledge in such regards to the human anatomy surpasses my own.

You are just claiming it is not music because you do not think screaming is music. Which means you have ignored the point. In what circumstance, has any of these genres, only contained screaming and nothing else? Let that sink in for a moment.

You're the ignorant one, because I play music.

I have been playing Irish music for over 10 years and took 3 years of formal lessons in piano as a child, now I play violin in an orchestra and I love music.

So the day you'll realize that your studies in music does not give you the right to judge people on what they personally define as music is the day your brain will expand.

You are rude, and know that the rudeness game can be played by everyone.

Learn to argue.

And I won't honor you with a counter-argument though I have one ready, because you upset me.

I doubt it would have been a productive counter argument anyway, considering your last response was just a man screaming out of context.

Also I study AND perform music.

You have a clear bias, and you do not have a solid argument. THAT is why you choose to let this argument go. You are upset because you have no argument to lead with. Besides, there is nothing to argue. Music is music. A movie, is a movie. A TV show, is a TV Show. I do not understand how this is a difficult concept for you, but it is what it is. Music evolves into many different forms. What music is now, is different to what they would have listened to in the Renaissance.