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DivinePaladin said:
Porcupine_I said:

If you don't read and comprehend what i am saying then there is no reason to continue this discussion. And there is no need to get upset either.

I argued that the story is straight forward and does not change it's premise, but it is still excellent and well written, there is no contradiction in that.

And under all this subjective cherry picking and jumbling gameplay with plot points you do after that, if you belive they didn't meet any people in this game that are not evil, then you must have played a different game, or you have a serious case of selective denial.

I'll start with the last bit you said. In Pittsburgh, all of your enemies are part of a group of Raiders that kill for the sake of it. There are lines of dialogue I can (admittedly only vaguely) recall where the Raiders just straight up talk about their kills. In Colorado, again, all part of a group of Raiders. The University, all Raiders. The only people I could say are not evil that Joel/Ellie fought (notice FOUGHT, I didn't say meet anywhere in my post, and if I did that was a mistake on my part) are the endgame enemies, and I have a lot of problems with that segment that I'd get into once I can get home and use spoiler tags without worry of them not working. Nice try going with the cherry picking argument when pretty much all the issues I listed are blatant story or logic problems. The only nitpicks I really made are the stealth kill animation (which legitimately did break my immersion after four hours, since I play conservatively and almost exclusively stealth) and the upside down segment, but even the latter of the two has serious problems when compared to the style of the game. 

 

A lot of these issues I wrote WERE writing issues. The character interaction is normally spot on, yes, but again, a shitty plot written well isn't necessarily good. I'll get into that later, though, should we continue this. Again, spoilers, forgive me for delaying that. 

 

But, with all due respect, if you're going to try and go with the blanket statement to discredit everything I say, let's just stop now. Opinions are opinions, and I've played the game more than enough to have logical backup to mine, whether you agree with them or not. 

So you telling me you want the game to give you innocent people to kill? I am pretty sure he FOUGHT Henry when he met him. They were also threatened by his brothers wife before they realized they are not evil. 

Nobody kills for the sake of it. if you read all the clues you would know how the raiders in pittsburg formed and what they do. Talking about selective denial. If you listened to the raiders talk, you would also have heard them complaining how the shoes of the people they killed are too small for them.

But why don't we make this easy on you and you tell me a game that did everything better by that same standards you apply.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’