If the NX released both the handheld and home consoles at the same time...

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spemanig said:

That doesn't matter when they are making more money. As long as the systems are selling, Sony and Microsoft will continue making them, and they will sell for a long time because absolutely no one cares how they stack up to PCs. These consoles have a better chance of selling for longer, not less.

The PS2 was the weakest console on the market, what are you talking about? No body cares about having the strongest console, as long as they get all the same games and they run well, as proven by the objectively weaker PS2. It wouldn't be a second Wii U, because the NX won't be a generation weaker than its competition like the Wii U was.

The argument that Playstation is a stronger brand is highly debatable to the point of farcehood. Nintendo has objectively stronger brands in the form of its IP, and the Wii proved in recent history that Nintendo can brand products that out sell Playstation post PS2. Every Nintendo portable has outsold every playstation portable by a lightlyear. But Nintendo's brand is "nowhere near as strong?" Get out of here. At worse, they are equally as strong. At best, Nintendo clearly edges them out in actual brand power. Playstation couldn't dream of having a theme park, or a successful line of multimedia content based on their Playstation brand alone. Nintendo has been eating shit for years, and could wake up in 20 years to some of the most successful movies, TV shows, toys, and theme parks on the Nintendo name alone. Nintendo has been doing bad because they've been releasing crappy products, not because their brand is weak.

There's no way in hell the PS4 is reaching the 150m hights that PS2 did, so no, it won't be a PS2 success story. It'll be a PS1 success story, maybe 10m or 20m more than that (I'd bet on 115m personally), only with much better competition in the form of the XBO and likely the NX, both of which will absolutely sore past the pitiful 30m installed base that was the PS1's competition, the N64.

Like I said, I already knew people would scoff at the idea of a good UI selling a console platform massively. And I don't blame you. It's never been done on consoles. You probably can't wrap your head around what that even means. It's so abstract and alien. "Better menus will sell the NX? Bah-humbug!" Sounds silly. But that's exactly what sold the iphone, and that's what will sell the NX. A really good UI. Everything else was already being done well enough on the Blackberry and even the Sidekick before it. Then the iphone came in with it's fancy UI, OS, and firmware and birthed the smart phone. I'm not going to get mad that you can't understand it. You will when you see it. Like, immediately. In fact, I'm sure many will as early as when the membership program launches.

Don't know why you brought up Mario being the only selling point though. It's not. It's the platform. That's the selling point.

We'll see, I expect this gen to be shorter than last one, as I've said and I see no reason to change that opinion. The consoles sell fast, get outdated fast, get replaced fast. You expect Nintendo to release console every 2 years, yet think MS and Sony are going to stand pat for 8 years? You really need to think this through one more time.

PS2 was the most powerful console on the market when it was released. If you have any doubt, check when it was released (hint - 2000) and when GCN was released (hint - 2001/2002 depending or region) and when Xbox was released (hint - same year as GCN). It would be a second Wii U, because it would be so late to the party, that at this point in time nobody is gonna care about such inferior hardware, when they can get better hardware with better library and at an affordable price. After 3 years people who own PS4/Xbons are gonna ask themselves - why should I upgrade? They won't find a single reason. New customers will compare the consoles and NX will be by far the worst option, both in terms of libraries and quality of multiplat games. This is really very simple - NX wouldn't have any real selling point except for Nintendo games, hence another Wii U story.

I'm gonna repeat this, PlayStation is a more powerful brand than Nintendo. I'm not talking about brands like Mario or Pokemon, cause these are already separate brands or even companies in case of Pokemon. Trust me, there are millions of people, maybe even the majority of people, that have no idea that Mario or Pokemon are in any way connected to Nintendo. Hell, many people who are well aware of Mario and Pokemon, enjoy both, have no idea that there is such a thing as Nintendo (I mainly talk about females here). The brands that belong to them are great, but the brand of Nintendo itself really isn't that strong. I am 100% sure that in my country Gameboy is a more powerful brand than Nintendo. PlayStation? It's in a different league.

And seriously, don't use Wii as an example of anything. That console is such an odd one, such a lightning-in-a-bottle-type story, that it can't be used to prove anything. It was a one in a million type of success that Nintendo is so far incapable of coming close to repeating and I refuse to accept it as a strong argument for anything. They had one chance and they nailed it. Kudos, but it's back to reality now.

I'm not saying PS4 will reach 150 mil, mainly because the gen will be short, but it will track close to PS2. I think it's ahead of PS2 as of now?

Ok. Please tell me then, what is this UI supposed to introduce to be so revolutionary? And at the same time please explain to me why should I believe that a company that's still in stone age when in comes to UI and user experience (still no account system...) is suddenly supposed to jump ahead of a software giant like MS or Sony, which is already capable of streaming any single game to pretty much any device connected to the Internet? I mean, Nintendo has fallen behind so badly during the Wii era, that they still haven't reached the PS360 level in many key aspects. How are they supposed to make a leap worth of few generations? And why isn't Sony already one step ahead of what you're suggesting with PS Now?

Smartphone was a revolution and it came after the revolutionary Ipod. I honestly doubt that Nintendo has a revolution coming. And by the way, you are starting to sound like our good ol' friend GeorgeLucas (I think that was his nick name?)

We have to wait till NX releases, I hope for Nintendo's sake that it turns out to be capable of playing every single multiplat at 1080p/60fps and that it's a regular console. But I have a strange gut feeling, that they'll go crazy with it again... If they do, at least I hope I'll like it like I did with the Wii, cause I really need Mario Kart in my life