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Mnementh said:
DerNebel said:
KLXVER said:
Who is saying that handhelds are consoles...?

I've seen it argued a couple times by Nintendo fans trying to argue that Sony has to overtake the 3DS with the PS4 to become the market leader in Japan. Then arguing that in that case smartphones/tablets should be counted in as well results in a lot of spinning about why consoles and handhelds should be counted as one group in Japan while smartphones/tables are totally seperate and way too different to count.

Well, every major definition of gaming console I can find includes handhelds. Also, the smartphone debate brought up is just defensive bullshit. The definition says a console is a dedicated gaming device with some sort of visuals. Smartphones are not for the purpose of gaming. If you include smartphones into handheld consoles (and that would be valid based on the argumentation if handheld consoles are consoles or not) then PCs must be home consoles, because they can play games and can be connected to a TV-set.

Also the Sony-Nintendo-debate in regards to handheld consoles and home consoles is stupid at best. PS4 probably will overtake 3DS and PS2 is still ahead of DS. Sony-fans don't need to get this defensive, their team is winning in any case, whatever this does to ones feelings of self-worthiness.

The point wasn't to include smartphones into handhelds, the point was to either include all devices that people game on in the discussion about who is the "king" in a gaming market, or seperate all of them in the normally used groups (and no vgchartz is not the only place that makes this distinction, other places do it too and when console makers talk about console marketshare they are also making the distinction between handheld and console) of dedicated handhelds, consoles (+ PC) and smart devices. But the person that I had this discussion with wanted to desperately make Nintendo the king of the japanese gaming market (in a reply to someone clearly talking about consoles), so he decided that handhelds and consoles had to be put together, but that smartphones didn't count.

So this whole thing had nothing to with "Sony-fans being defensive".