Nintendo VS Sony - Rest of 2015 [8 weeks of data]

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Neodegenerate said:

Intrinsic said:

its being ignored for good reason. As most of this thread should be. But let me indulge you and him/her.

No the WiiU is a console. But here are some questions, can you set up a WiiU right out of the box without a TV? Can you play a WiiU without it being tethered to a power output?

If you somehow think that cause you can play a wii U by only using its gamespad (and ignoring that you need a TV for initial setup) then by that kinda reasoning a ps4 is also not a console since with a phone or a vita you can play a ps4 without using a TV too.

I don't recall needing the TV for the Wii U setup, though it has been a while.  I do remember needing the gamepad though.  Also, I can power the Wii U via a charged battery power strip without having it in a wall.  Inconvenient sure, but I can effectively play the Wii U without it being plugged into a wall and without a TV if I so choose, turning it into a "handheld" console.  Yet, it is considered a console as it should be.

I am in the "handhelds are consoles" camp as they are dedicated video game devices that require a video display.  The fact that the video display is built in shouldn't be held against the device since the underlying point of the device is to play video games.

People who use the "smart phones and ipads are the same thing" argument miss the fact that the phone and the ipad and even the computer were not created as a device to play video games.  These are multifunctional devices that exist in their own categories as they should.

The handheld vs home console thing to me plays out the same way as nascar vs plays out.  Some say because nascar is usually called a "spectator sport" it isn't a "real" sport, just like a "handheld" console isn't a "real" console.  If you need a prefix you aren't actually disqualifying the item from what it is, you are simply giving additional meaning to it.

Ok you make a sound case. And I'll concede defeat. Yes handheld consoles are consoles. Just a different type of console. I think that difference is a very big one though, and is solely responsible for why its generalized classification is so conflicting. I do not think its right to group "home" consoles and "portable/handheld" consoles together. In the same way I don't think its right to group desktop and laptops together even if they are both PCs.

They cater to different markets, different usage scenarios.....etc. And making a thread directly comparing both of them as if they were all the same thing is misleading. simple fix, compare the WiiU to the PS4 and the 3DS to the Vita. home consoles have far too little in common with handheld consoles to all be grouped in the same boat.

Funny thing is that a portable console has more in common with a smartphone than it does with a home console. And I was about to dismiss everything you said when u started by saying you don't recall needing a TV for the initial setup of a WiiU. But you went on to make a valid point, so here I am.