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fatslob-:O said:
DerNebel said:

What issues does IX have? XII has issues, mainly in its story but it's at least a great RPG with a ton of stuff to do.

XIII has a forgettable story (seriously I couldn't tell you the plot of that game nowadays if my life depended on it), no likable characters, a battle system that tried to make you play it as little as possible, a ridiculously linear world, boring side content, the RPG elements are dumbed down as much as possible and the whole money and weapon upgrade system is extremely tedious. Believe me, I tried to like that game, I bought my PS3 for it and even got the Platinum trophy, but at the end of the day there's nothing there that makes it more than a mediocre game in general and a poor Final Fantasy game in specific.

You give FFXII too much credit ... 

I wouldn't even say the story is the main issue. It was very far away from been a FF game, more so than XIII! 

You say XIII has a forgettable story yet XII is practically a crappy history class in it's own fictional world. You could make an argument for ANY FF game that has unlikeable characters. XII was arguable more automatic than XIII when it came to combat. Sure XIII over did it with the linear map design but since when did FF games have good side content ? 

If anything the RPG elements are stressed even more than past FF games. RPGs are not about customization or the leveling system ... 

Mediocre game ? Damn, I guess all other FF games aside from VII, VIII, and X suck ...

Bandwagon much ?

So your whole argument for FFXIII not being bad is "look at XII"?

I didn't say XIIs story and characters are good, they aren't, but the game was open and had tons of different stuff to do. And the combat certainly was a lot more tactical than XIIIs, plus it didn't have that stupid thing where when the leader dies it's game over. Tons of prior FF games had good side content, VI-IX most definitely had it. In XIII you don't even have optional Summons to find. For like 20 hours or more of the game it gives you no other option but to strictly follow its path.

Bolded: Are you trying to redefine RPG elements are now?

And if you're trying to suggest that VII, VIII and X are worse than XIII then just lol.