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Dulfite on 31 August 2015
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JWeinCom said:
Dulfite said:


And look what the Soviet Union did to it's people with the idea of no religion. Both sides are evil. Allowing people to have their beliefs and allowing them to be able to express them (individually, politically, etc) or NOT to is what the U.S. was founded upon. I don't want to be like Hitler Germany OR Soviet Union, I want to be us (as bad as that is at times, it is better than than other two).

Nonsense.  Nazi Germany was a Christian state with about 50 percent of its citizens being protestant, and 30 percent being catholic.  Regardless of the regimes personal beliefs (which we have no reason to believe were atheistic) they publicly used religion as a tool to motivate.  Books regarding evolution ("Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (Häckel) were on banned books.  The state endorsed religious instruction.  

I would not go so far as to say Naziism was a Christian movement, but it certainly was not atheistic, so do not imply that it is.

As for Soviet Russia, yes they were atheistic, although their position on religion changed at many points throughout it history.  Opposition to religion was largely based largely on the fact that the previous abusive regime was deeply interwoven with the Russian Orthodox Church.  

However, it is still nonsense to claim that Soviets did this to their people "with the idea of no religion".  The idea of no religion was ancillary to the communist movement.  The movement was about a system of economics and government, and not about religion.  You cannot say that what happened in Soviet Russia was due to atheism any more than I could say that World War 1 was caused by religion because most of the parties were religious.

I was saying Soviet Union was atheistic, not Nazi Germany. However, now that you bring it up, in no way shape or form was Nazi Germany related to Christianity. They can call it whatever they want, as many people do, but nothing about Nazi Germany reflected Christ's commands and guidance laid out for us in the New Testament. Would Christ have wanted Jews imprisoned, tortured, and killed? Would Christ have wanted people to be hated for what they looked like or what their background was? No. People can claim that they are Christian, but if their lifestyle is standing against what Christianity is all about (being more Christlike), then they are lying. That isn't to say Christians don't sin, but rather if someone claims to be a Christian and their entire lifestyle contradicts that, with no remorse, then they are lying to themselves and others.

Regardless of what you think the MAIN causes of Nazi Germany and Communist Soviet were, they were both led by people that either had an extremely twisted and distorted religious view or people that believed nothing. The actions that they committed, the persecution of people of faith (particularly Jews in both Germany and U.S.S.R) were terrible, terrible crimes that make them no different than modern North Korea, ISIS, and Boko Haram (I don't have the concern to look up how their pathetic organization is spelled so not sure if that is right). Because their actions were horrible, people will always look to what could have driven those actions into fruition, and belief systems are something people always look for when determing the cause behind atrocities and benevolence.