Shipping Wars

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uran10 said:

The thing about chapter 1 was that it was her fault that it was lost, it was also her fault that the locket broke (which should disqualify her from being the girl from the past. Unless she turned it the wrong way (which she didn't) the locket would have opened instead of breaking. The bento goes back to my original point of only trying to further her relationship with him and not looking out for his well being but that last part with the sickness (which is something I don't remember) is the only part I would say counts. I'm pretty sure he wasn't in love with chitoge after the 1st year, He might have started to develop feelings for her back then but he didn't fall for her yet, he was more looking out for her like he does with everybody. He always puts 120% into others before himself regardless of who they are so I can't count this part.

I didn't want to turn this into an actual pairing moment list war, but those were the first examples to come to mind. I think Chapter 1 was pretty pivotal, since it not only showed a strong sense of responsibility, but also how much it bothered her that Raku disliked her. Even as far back as when she legitimately disliked him.

For the record though, there were actually two chapters I had in mind where Raku was sick. There was an early chapter where Chitoge and Onodera both nursed Raku while he had a cold, and ended with Chitoge holding his hand while he slept...and then a more recent one where he had apendicitis. Both chapters featured other girls, but Chitoge's feelings were definitely at the forefront.

I suppose I should have clarified, when I say he began to fall for her, I mean that the reader is beginning to see hints of it. It definitely grows as the story goes on. I really doubt he'll come to terms with it until the end of the manga, which maybe you could define as "falling for her". But I suppose that's just semantics. 

Of course he puts more care into the relationship, he is pretty much pushing it down the reader's throat at every chance he gets to try to sway the readers who prefer the other girls and to push his original idea to the forefront (something I wish the creator of nanoha did instead of falling into the yuri box). I didn't see the part at the beach as cruel, I see it as being honest and he was being honest. That's how he felt at that point in time but the way chitoge reacted was what made me dislike her. Yes you're a tsun but that's too much right there. He did nothing wrong if something like that happened to me and the girl wasn't strong like a gorilla I probably would have gotten anrgy enough to throw my morals out the window and hit her, but that's just me. She may be remourceful for her actions but feeling something and voicing it are two different things. If voicing it didn't mean more than my OTP would be together and nisekoi would be over in the chapter with the baseball through the window.

The main cast, the true main cast are Raku, Chitoge and Onodera. The story circles around these 3 from the get go. As a fake couple the two of them will go through more than him and onodera but there is a reason why she is also on the cover. I do wish she would get character development more but her character is solid and its impossible to advance her relationship with raku without them getting together which is why Onodera will eventually become stagnant if she hasn't already, before the story ends.

Another argument of semantics...though I suppose I can agree that Onodera is more important than Marika, Tsugumi, etc. The thing is, the manga almost feels like two stories squeezed together sometimes. The larger cast is important to the Promised Girl storyline, but the original plot that we see in the one-shot, and that the manga is named after, really only concerns two characters. Considering how contrived the stupid locket story feels (I won't even try to defend that...honestly everything about that stupid promise locket feels like Komi could troll us next time it's brought up), I consider the original "false love" plot to be what the series is really centered around. And since that storyline really doesn't involve Onodera, I have a tough time thinking of them all in same character tier.

We the reader see it, but the other characters don't hear it. If a character confesses to another in their head without actually doing it then does that mean they confessed and that it counts? No. Or again Onodera and Raku would be together already. I see this as a SOL anime so it should be more to actual living people which is where I'm coming from. My opinion comes from other anime. From the start the character I dub the "interloper" (the one who clearly comes between two characters who are in love or are childhood friends) usual win and they usually don't deserve to in my eyes as they never do as much as the childhood friend. If I had to say Nagi no Asukara is what really made me dislike this trope. (PS this response is very much why I chose onodera in the first place and she grew on me as the story went on)

I think where we disagree is that I don't consider those examples to be the same. Onodera's inability to confess is a plot device to keep the ships in a state of status quo, while Chitoge's inability to apologize is intended solely for the reader to see. It's intended to make her more sympathetic, since obviously she'd seem much worse if she just shrugged it off like it she didn't care in the first place. Since it's never been established in canon that people (or just Raku) resents her for being unable to apologize, it's safe to assume it's not a serious issue that she needs to be redeemed for. 

Basically, one is an in-universe plot device, one is solely for the audience. 

Responses to your responses in bold XD. But coming off as the bad guy is more fun for me :P. Anyway Your OTP is going to come true, I'm going to rant like hell when it does and curse komi along with the countless Onodera fans in Japan and I probably wont read his next manga cause I'm quite fed up of the interloper cliche and try to avoid it at all costs. Anyway at this point we've basically agreed on most parts which means this argument is pretty much over :(

No worries, I guess you just came off as more abrasive than I'm used to. I've spent...god...so many years on shipping forums debating some of this seemingly pointless stuff XD I guess I'm used to arguing over whether or not my ship will be canon, so someone telling me my ship sucks but will be canon kinda makes me adjust my usual stance. 

I'm basically out of LAPs at this point, so I guess that's it...unless I repeat stuff I already said. I'm glad our 7DS ships mostly overlap. At least we can agree on something XD