Shipping Wars

[uran10]

Super_Boom said:

uran10 said:

The thing is I like tsundere, so that's not my reasoning behind chitoge at all. I just dislike how certain tropes always develop. Boy likes a girl who likes him back and out of no where another girl comes in and because of how shy the 1st girl is he ends up with the 2nd girl and this is the trope chitoge is. I also had no problem with her until she started to like Raku because the way it was developed as she going all "insert derogative word here" with Raku having to be the bigger character and apologize for doing nothing. At this point I still don't see her doing much of anything to redeem herself. Yes she gets charatcer development but that doesn't change the fact that she acts like this at times and Raku is always the one to fix it taking everything she throws at him cause he is a nice guy. Of all the girls in the show she is the one who deserves him the least, no amount of character development will change that.

I suppose I'll bite...even if my answer is largely the same.

You're free to dislike tropes, as I've said, though it's really just your own preference. However, I imagine the reason the trope you mention is so widespread is due to readers enjoying that sort of story. Some people prefer flawed characters that grow over time to make up for their flaws, others prefer characters with few flaws that grow very little over the course of the story. Same with relationships, some people are more interested in watching relationships develop in a dynamic way. I personally prefer dynamic characters over static ones, but I won't pretend my preference is inherently right. And neither should you.

For your example regarding Chitoge, I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. Off the top of my head, the only fights the two have had that required a serious apology were the 1st Culture Festival and the Amnesia arcs, and neither were exactly "nothing" on Raku's part. The former he was ignorant to Chitoge's feelings, and didn't understand how their relationship had changed, in the latter he forgot her birthday was coming up, despite obvious cues from her. What's even more interesting about these two examples is that Chitoge was shown to be remorseful almost immediately after she hit him in both situations. Heck, in the Amnesia arc, she was even planning to apologize to him for overreacting, despite Raku being the one in the obvious wrong. If that's not enough to redeem the character for you, then it seems to me that it's the character type you don't like...as I've stated earlier.

Heck, now that I think about it, Nisekoi is one of the few shonen I can think of where the physical abuse comedy is actually commented on as something that warrants apologizing for. Honestly, it's a comedy trope, so treating it as anything else just seems awkward in the scheme of things. I don't expect Rukia or Nami to apologize for punching their MCs over stupidity any more than I expect Elmer Fudd to apologize for shooting Bugs Bunny. Though that's an aside...I don't really care to get into a debate over that particular trope.

The last part is just your own opinion again, and a little ridiculous in the context of a fictional story. From my perspective, Chitoge "deserves" to end up with Raku because she's his closest person, because he doesn't need to put on airs around her (admitted by him during the 2nd year field trip), and because their relationship is the main focus of the story. They do bicker often, but as Komi has stated in that interview, the main theme he was aiming for with his story was "opposites attract". If you don't like that theme, then I advice once again to consider whether or not the story is for you in the first place.

 

 

From my perspecctive, Raku is always the one helping chitoge not the other way around. Every other girl in the story has helped him out more than her and they spend less time with him that she does especially kosaki. At almost every crossroad its usually kosaki (or shu) who gives him the advice that allows him to make his choice. I get the opposite attracts thing but let's be honest here if he wasn't around her to the point where he is (it takes him 2 years to actually fall for her, yet it took him less than that to fall for kosaki in middle school and he still holds those feelings) and we took into account personality his best choice would be Haru as their personalities completment each other well and they would be great together.

And now for my favourite part, the cultural festiva arc. This is what cemented it for me in all honesty, yes Raku is ignorant of her feelings but how would he be able to tell? Did she straight up tell him? Did she give any hints before starting to act that way? not really. In the end even though she was supposed to apologize it was Raku who ended up doing it. He apologized for nothing as far as I'm concerned. If a girl develops feelings for me and she expects me to see that change as soon as it happens and adapt one time then she has got to be psycho. They are a fake couple and she was supposed to keep it up btu because of those feelings she physical hurt Raku multiple times and then in the end had him apologize for doing nothing. The only people who realize the change in chitoge are Shu and Marika so this really doesn't add up regardless.

And If you watch how every other girl has approached raku or helped out Raku or how they are devoted to him she pales in comparison. Marika is by far the most devoted and she would do anything for Raku and the way he treats her is wrong so I rather not go into details with that one, but we've seen on multiple occaisions how she would go out of her way just for raku. She even pushed Yui to confess because of how she cares for Raku. She wants him, but she wants what's best for him. Chitoge usually only cares about herself in that regard when it comes to raku, not what's best for him. Onodera is a trope where she is strong at the start but because she and him are already in love with each other they are unable to build her character more without them actually getting together and the longer the story the weaker her character. It doesn't help that her advances always get interupted. The one thing she does is look out fo Raku though. She's always there to give him advice and always there for him. I don't remember between her and Tsugumi who has given him more advice but I think its her and that's because of how much she cares for him. While she does want a relationship with him his well being will always come first with her. I don't see that very often with chitoge, maybe I'm misrembering but most of the time I don't see it with her. Its usually just trying to push her way on to Raku and failing until he ends up having to save her from some stupid situation. In this sense Marika is far too good for Raku, while onodera who is always there for him would be good and Raku who is constantly having to save the person who doesn't really help him out much  or look out for him as much as the others is far too good for her. That's how I see it. He did the one thing no one else did for her and fixed her relationship with her mom and she was grateful, but I don't see her doing anything to help raku's life out other than try to get into a relationship with him, which he already said wouldn't work because of how she is.

I was backing onodera cause I dislike chitoge's trope and onodera is the "always lose" trope. Then I grew to like onodera and I tried to like chitoge but that ending left a really really bad taste in my mouth (chapter 50 or so). Couldn't get around to liking her since. As for which girl I believe should get him, see above.

About the violent trope part as well, a lot of people do complain and do think it warrants an apology when a male is hit but as you said its just comedy but I do dislike that side of it which is another reason for disliking her in a way. Its unwarranted most of the time and I don't care if she wanted to apologize. It doesn't count unless she actually does it. Raku apologized and instead of stopping him and apologizing herself she just went with it... That's not how it goes Love is a two way street not a one way.

Either way everything here is an opinion. Komi made the story with the idea of making her and him end up together so he's goign to go with that but that doesn't change the fact that even with the truck load of character development she's gotten  Marika, Haru and even the impossible to develop kosaki still outrank her especially in the caring department. of course my hate could lead to misremembering but this is how I see it. As it stands he's going to end up with a girl who has a key and out of those Marika would be the best end but she is honestly too good for him while onodera would be a good end and I personally see chitoge as a bad end as do quite a lot of others when you consider her popularity has been passed by marika and onodera continues to be #1.

 

PS: The title is shipping wars, of course we have to hash it out :P