Who would win: Superman Vs Dr. Manhattan

[SuaveSocialist]

Teeqoz said:

SuaveSocialist said:

"Dr. Manhattan couldn't do anything of what he does if it was based on real science."

Everything he does conforms to the laws of physics.

"Superman obviously isn't powered by the sun, because if so, he wouldn't be able to do 1% of the shit he pulls off"

Superman is powered by the Sun and the fact he pulls all that shit off is proof that the laws of physics don't apply to him.  Doc has limits that he cannot overcome, Superman has no such limits.  Championing the former is indefensible.  At this point, you're either trying to overstate Doc to the point where he no resembles the actual character, or you're trying to deny Superman the ability to perform at levels he performed numerous times before, or both.  

In what reality can you control matter with your mind power? In what reality can anything control matter at a sub-atomic level? What scientific laws allow him to see the past, the present and the future at the same time?  What scientific laws enable him to exist outside of his physical body?

In what reality can you control matter with your mind power?: This one, provided that you exist in more than three dimensions.  Like Doc.  If you were a fourth-dimensional being, you could remove someone's heart with your bare hand without disturbing any surrounding tissue or even being seen.  Since the boundries of length, width and depth aren't so constraining for him, he can move atoms as you can move M&Ms.  Carl Sagan's Flatland might convey this better.

In what reality can anything control matter at a sub-atomic level?  This one.  Chemistry is manipulation of matter and particle accelerators manipulate it on subatomic levels.  Doc is essentially doing the same thing without requiring lab equipment, but everything he does is within the clear guidelines of what is theoretically possible.  Considering he exists in more than three dimensions, it is expected that he can do this.

What scientific laws allow him to see the past, the present and the future at the same time?  Geometry.  We are three-dimensional beings but only perceive time in two dimensions.  If we perceived time in three dimensions, we could see every moment of our lives playing out at once.  Interstellar explains that nicely.

What scientific laws enable him to exist outside of his physical body? Geometry. It's a mere temporal dislocation of his quantum state.  Since he exists in more than three dimensions and perceives time three-dimensionally, this is just something to be expected.

Doc is basically the conscious limit of what we understand to be scientifically possible.  He is the furthest conceptual limit of human evolution.  Only the laws of physics and universal constants, such as the limitations of light speed, restrain him.  Unfortunately, the DCU does not give a damn about science and flaunts flagrant violations as some bar to be cleared later.  Superman is one such character who routinely throws the laws of motion, energy, thermodynamics, mass, etc. right out the window as things that ordinary people are limited by and no one else.  The Doc cannot begin to compare.  This is literally a contest between the limits of science (Doc) and that which goes so far beyond the limits of science it is cringeworthy (Superman).