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Teeqoz said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Then Doc would simply know that Superman's victory is inevitable.  He would forsee his own defeat and fatalistically accept it.  
And no, Doc's abilities are all rooted in physics.  Everything he does is based on strict mathematical formulae and every application of his powers are within their potential.  Superman breaks those formulae without giving a damn.  The Doc is a god in our universe, but he's not even a heavyweight in the DCU.


"Everything he does is based on strict mathematical formulae"

Lol, even if they try to claim so, that obviously isn't the case. Just like how Superman obviously isn't powered by the sun, because if so, he wouldn't be able to do 1% of the shit he pulls of, just like Dr. Manhattan couldn't do anything of what he does if it was based on real science.

"Dr. Manhattan couldn't do anything of what he does if it was based on real science."

Everything he does conforms to the laws of physics.

"Superman obviously isn't powered by the sun, because if so, he wouldn't be able to do 1% of the shit he pulls off"

Superman is powered by the Sun and the fact he pulls all that shit off is proof that the laws of physics don't apply to him.  Doc has limits that he cannot overcome, Superman has no such limits.  Championing the former is indefensible.  At this point, you're either trying to overstate Doc to the point where he no resembles the actual character, or you're trying to deny Superman the ability to perform at levels he performed numerous times before, or both.