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JinxRake on 20 July 2015
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mornelithe said:
JinxRake said:
mornelithe said:

"What a character should or should not be able to do is NOT up for the debate of the fans."

Irony is so ironic.

Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster (original creators of Superman) died in 1992 and 1996 respectively, by your way of thinking, all Superman canon after their deaths is not permissible.  Goku wins.

I'm afraid you did not quite get what I said. 

Fact: Toriyama did not want to push DBZ farther than the Frieza Saga. It was corporate insistance and fan insistance that got him to do more DBZ. You'll find this information on any DB Universe Wiki. 

My comment was made with regards to what a lot of fans keep on saying Goku SHOULD be able to do or not. If Goku runs the Snake Way in a few months, you'll find a lot of fans that keep on saying that he should have been able to do much faster since he already could move faster than light as a kid. Look it up, you'll find the discussions. 

When a Superman / Goku versus comes up, it's always the Goku camp that keeps on dragging it out into what the character should be able to do - crack a Galaxy or something -. Hence my comment.

 

Hope it clears up your irony sinus. 

Sorry, just because Toriyama sold out, doesn't mean fans get to bitch and roll back the canon, same with Superman.  That's the point.  Hope that clears up your attempt at being smug.

I really think we're both missing something out of the other guy's replies. 

And don't say that Superman is weak if we ignore post 1992 stuff. Silver Age Superman is still one of the most ridiculous things in fiction.