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KingdomHeartsFan on 05 July 2015
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Darwinianevolution said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
Darwinianevolution said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Its because they design their consoles with only their developers in mind, they don't go out and talk to third parties like Sony did.  

Do you think that, if Nintendo decides to listen more to 3rd parties, their contribution to Nintendo consoles would grow, even if said console doesn't go as well as planned? Nintendo listening to their studios first is good, because their main source of income and their first harware seller are 1st parties by far.

Ofc their contribution would grow.  If the Wii U was x86 and easy to port to like the X1 is there would be a lot more third party games on the Wii U and ofc first party is thier main income they have next to no third parties...

I don't think that. There are two points that Nintendo can't really do nothing about. First, the userbase buys 3rd parties that are similar to Nintendo games or 2nd parties backed by Nintendo, and even those can have a hard time selling. You can't change the tastes of the market. There have been very few 3rd party titles that have become sort of system sellers for Nintendo, and most of them were on handhelds (Dragon Quest, Professor Layton, Just Dance... The biggest non-Nintendo system seller is GoldenEye, and that was a RARE title, a company worshipped by a lot of Nintendo fans). Add to that most companies are used to sell 0,5-1 million units on each system to be sucesful, and Nintendo home consoles look really unnatractive for big publishers.

Second, the people that buy system for 3rd parties will go to PS or XBox, because they know the games they like will surely go to their console. Nintendo couldn't keep the Wii-DS audience, and has failed to attract other audiences with the WiiU. Now the "hardcore" market has stablished their accounts, friends and loyalties in general to other systems, and making them switch sides to a company that has failed to catter them for two gens is incredibly difficult. Thus, possible 3rd party buyers won't go to Nintendo.

Sales are the key for 3rd parties. That's why the Wii keeps getting Just Dance, and that's why the PS2 kept getting FIFAs. Unless Nintendo manages to improve their sales, I won't expect other big companies to really try. And If Nintendo could do that, why don't use those effords into makin their own games to sell well?

Also, Nintendo could do a lot of thing to improve their relations with 3rd parties, but I doubt it would make a big difference, specially with companies like T2 or Zenymax. But Nintendo doesn't really need every big title (it would be nice, but it's not needed).

Maybe they needed 0.5-1m to make a port succesful last gen when the 360 and PS3 were completely different, but they wouldn't need anywhere near that if the Wii U was x86 and easy to port to.  Ofc Nintendo has failed to attract any other audiences with the Wii U all it has is Nintendo games, why would anyone else buy a Wii U?  Its not easy to make gamers shift consoles but its not impossible, Sony showed that this gen, I think they showed that 40% or 60%, can't remember which, of PS4 owners didn't have a PS3. 

If you want sales you need games, Nintendo has shown this gen they are incapable of supporting a system on their own, even if you combine the Wii U and 3DS lineup and use this hybrid idea there would still be a massive drought of games here in NA right now.  My Wii U has collected more dust than any other system I've ever owned, and I buy all the systems.