routsounmanman said:
walsufnir said:
routsounmanman said:
Cherry picking at its finest. Who started the war? Who destroyed an entire continent? Meanwhile Greece lied about some numbers (although I'll never believe that the EU had no idea about it, they just liked the idea of a rich Greece buying EU products) and is getting demolished economically while everyone's against us, blaming us for everything wrong in the continent, while using us as shields from the markets.
And, while I agree we're the first ones to blame for this situation (for starters, we should have never adopted the Euro), we're certainly not the only problem of the EU. If Greece, wasn't in the eye of the storm, Portugal would be. And you can bet that it will be, as soon as we go down.
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Oh please, the victim card... Yeah, sure.
But I agree, the Euro was bad for Greece and now all others have to pay for it. In fact, if you ask Germans, we didn't want the Euro either. Deutsche Mark was a very strong currency and one of the main factors for the Euro to begin with.
But now we have it, Greece is done with, no matter how much money we will give them. Cut the debts, let them begin from anew and that's it. If this leads to the destruction of the Euro as a currency in a whole, ok. Germans will easily get back to a strong national currency.
I really like the idea of Europe as a whole, really. But the EU is something we don't need for this and the Euro is also unnecessary, in my opinion. Open borders? Sure. Vacancy in other european countries? Sure! I enjoyed Kreta last year a lot! But please no orchestration from "above".
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The problem is, Germany has gained immensely from the Euro. Go back to the Mark, and your exports will get prohibitely expensive for most countries (basically the absolute inverse problem for us going back to the Drachma).
We agree completely on the final paragraph. I want no more wars in the continent. Free trade. Open borders. But no sovereigncy. Country interests > EU interests all the time.
PS: I have nothing against the German people or you. I actually think you're the powerhouse of Europe right now, and are actually doing good for the continent the past 30 years. The fact is though, Greece can bleed no more.
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Oh, I have really nothing against Greece, really. As I said before, common people are not responsible for what is happening now but they are the ones who have to pay for it, Greece and German people. Not the people who are really responsible for this.
And I really have to blame the media here, in Germany and in Greece. They are making the problems even worse by generalizing how Greece and/or German people are while I guess we all can agree that we are not responsible for the current situation. I feel really sorry when I read about signs with "GerMoney" in Greece and I don't like the idea that Greece people hate Germans and otherwise. There is no need for that, really.
