Satya Nadella: We will bring together Xbox Live and our first-party gaming efforts across PC, console, mobile....

[Mr Puggsly]

MoHasanie said:

Mr Puggsly said:

But the people that game on PC aren't necessarily the same audience as console gamers. which is why some games acheieve 5 - 20 million on consoles (combined) but do poor numbers on PC and vice versa. Steam machines for example are trying to make console gamers care about PC gaming.

Why are trying to prove to me X1 is a struggling console? I said it is. Read what I said again. However, I don't think its doing as poorly as some believe. Its not losing money like PS3, its not fading in obscurity like Vita, and it can still be successful without achieving 360 numbers.

By the way, saying it went from $499 to $349 is misleading. The $499 console had a Kinect in it. A Xbox with Kinect still cost $449-$500. Not pointing shows some bias in my opinion.

I don't think Xbox is a waste of time. MS's gaming division is worth billions and it has allowed MS to acquire an audience to push other products. Can you honestly say MS is better without Xbox? I doubt it and that's why Xbox is still around. Bottom line, the console gaming division is shrinking and MS should get serious about Windows gaming (Not PC gaming, Windows gaming). If Sony owned WIndows they would give it better support as well.

Well I can't disagree with any of your arguments. 

The $499 had Kinect with it but the $349 one comes with a free game in most places (MCC or AC Unity). 

Its worth a lot but it hardly makes a profit. If I was a big shareholder, I'd want Microsoft to stop making consoles. They can continue making games but should stopping making hardware. 

As far as I'm aware the X1, PS4, and WIi U come with games. I can get a PS4 right now for $399 with Batman:AK. Before that PS4 came with Last of Us. People mock X1 for throwing free games in, but free games with a PS4 seems to be ignored.

Xbox doesn't make a significant profit on its own. But you have to also consider the audience it has brought to MS and services MS has pushed on them. The reason people use MS's streaming video and music services is because of Xbox. Fans of Xbox are probably more likely to buy other MS products as well. The Xbox brand has made millions and millions of people care about MS products.

People consider X1 a failure yet it still may sell more units than a SNES (that was a popular machine, right?). Their investments in the Xbox brand don't just die with the consoles, MS can push those IPs on other products like Windows, mobile devices, Hololens, etc. So again, Xbox has been a worthwhile endeavor.

Why should MS stop making hardware? They have tons of money, they can take plenty of risks. I say MS should keep closing the gap of what is a game console versus PC. Bringing WIndows 10 to X1 is more of that.

Also, the industry doesn't benefit from MS leaving console gaming. An industry with only Sony pushing a core console is boring. More importantly, there wouldn't be much incentive for Sony to stay competitive. Prices would be higher, less money invested in IPs, less free games, etc. PS3 is what happened when Sony wasn't afraid of competition. X1 changed for the better because of competition.