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McDonaldsGuy on 25 June 2015
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sundin13 said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

1. Name 5 prisoners who asked for the death sentence over life without parole. Actually this shouldn't be too hard but do it anyway. Do the research - you will see that the VAST majority (as in 95-98% - which by ANY definition is "almost always") prefer life without parole to the death penalty. Prison isn't even that bad - they get drugs, access to TV/internet/books/video games, get to do fun activities like paintball, mini-golf, and bowling. Most get conjugal visits (Ted Bundy, Richard Ramirez, and Charles Manson all had GFs/wives while in prison). Your image of prison is the image of chain gangs, Shawshank redemption style rape, people in a cell with nothing but bread and water. That isn't how prison is man, not these days.

2. Name 5 innocent people who were put to death (in America) since 1976

I've showed you the ACTUAL numbers, not ridiculous "studies." Start showing me actual results. You keep saying innocent people are put to death but I am not seeing any names. I've given you direct examples, aka facts, reality.

And Cornelius Lewish doesn't exist according to you - people simply cannot prefer life over death (except for the 95% of the time they do).

By the way I do think death penalty needs reform - there needs to be a "no shadow of a doubt" clause for the death penalty. As in 100% we know for sure. For example, if OJ Simpson were found guilty in 1994 he still wouldn't eligible for the death penalty because there is too much doubt. On the other hand, Jeffrey Dahmer would 10000% be eligibile.


1. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90935

According to this, 75 inmates chose death over life between 1993-2002. In fact, the very first execution since 1976 was someone who chose death over life...

Also, I'd like to see where you are getting your 95-98% statistics.

1.5. Your putting words in my mouth. I believe I said something along the lines of "Prison is far from ideal", not "Prison is a burning hellscape"...

2. As I said, when appeals are over, a case is closed. DNA evidence isn't tested, new facts aren't brought to light. Its only logical that you wouldn't find these people innocent after they are put to death. However, logic implies that innocent people have been put to death when you look at the amount of people who have been let off from death row.

2.5. Cornelius Lewish: When did I say he didn't exist? What are you even going on about here? I never said nobody prefers life imprisonment over death. I said that some prefer life and some prefer death. Either way, it is punishment and either way, these people will not be among the general population without a pardon which are not taken lightly.

 

I believe I have stood by every point that I have made. You are hung up on the idea that the death penalty is not significantly worse than life imprisonment  (which again, is arguable either way), however, that is only one piece to the puzzle. Even without it, there is a strong case against the death penalty and the only case for the death penalty is the equivalent of Hammurabi's Code.

Lol only 75. There are 3,002 death row inmates today (so this isn't even counting all of them from 1976). 75 is 2.5% of 3,002.

Lol I just lol'd.