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d21lewis on 20 June 2015
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the-pi-guy said:

d21lewis said:
Sony showed some great stuff. The Batman stuff had me jizz my pants. The new Horizon game came out of nowhere and got my attention. Dreams? I got all of the LBP games except Vita and, while it looked good, creating things just doesn't appeal to me. Uncharted 4 looks spectacular as expected. They had a good showing.

The big three announcements? Not so much. Shenmue 3--I got one on Dreamcast and two on Xbox. Great games in their day but who actually played them? Who they sold like poop. Who fondly remembers driving a forklift or collecting toys? And they didn't even show the game. They just showed an old guy saying that he would begin to take up donations so he could begin to start on the game! WTF? A legendary game, don't get me wrong but be honest.


The same with The Last Guardian. I bought Ico and eventually played Shadow of the Colossus. Good games but, again, they never set the world on fire. The game was considered vaporware at this point. The gameplay they showed was nothing incredible but finding out a game that we heard about and thoujght we'd be playing a year ago is finally going to come out in...2017, maybe? That is a "Megaton?"

Final Fantasy VII remake? That's awesome. I can't deny that. Again, we saw nothing in terms of actual gameplay. Just another promise of something far off in the distant future.

Still, that equals Sony won E3. I just don't feel the same way.

Meanwhile, Microsoft (which is more than just Xbox, btw), showed us
-Backwards compatibility and said some of us can test it out RIGHT NOW (and I have tried it).
-Showed Gears of War remaster and said some us us could play it RIGHT NOW (and I tried it).
-Showed Tomb Raider and said we would play it before the end of the year
-Showed Halo 5 and said we would play it before the end of the year
-Showed Forza 5
-Had a person come out with a fucking holgram from Star Wars and play MInecraft with it
-Announced a new controller
-Showed footage from Gears of War 4

And somehow, they lost? I imagine that if M$ had come out and showed some game that we thought was cancelled (I can't think of an example), had some old Asian guy come out and say give me money and I might make Chrono Trigger 3, and announced that they were going to eventually remake Jade Empire, they would have won E3 without having to provide anything but words and maybe a cgi trailer. We gamers are so easily manipulated.


These were all just opinions, btw. Just my perspective on things.

Didn't set the world on fire, but lots of people loved the games.  And I'm not sure what you mean by maybe 2017.  It's planned for 2016.  And they are confident about that release date.  There are no games, that you can possibly be 100% certain will come out a certain time, unless you plan on shipping it regardless of how broken it is.  

A promise is kinda selling it short I think here too.  Aren't all games promises?  Like I said, you can't guarantee that a game will come out at any time.  How do you know something bad won't happen and Halo will be delayed?  Anything could happen in game development.  

Some great stuff, absolutely.  Does that mean that MS won?  It does to lots of people, but it really depends on what their taste is.

Backwards compatibility is an awesome feature, but how much does it really matter?  We can't objectively say company X or company Y won based on these criteria.  If someone didn't have an Xbox 360, BC might as well not exist.  Those games depends on if those are the types of games people play.  Gears of War remaster is a remaster.  Tomb Raider, we knew was coming, Forza 6, by the way, we knew was coming, we get Forza every year in one way or another.  Don't know enough about Hololens, heard some bad things, and we can't judge it based off the "artist's rendering."  I've heard that the Field of View in the actual headset isn't very good.  

You mention that gamers are so easily manipulated.  I disagree that's what it is at all.  

And essentially all your Sony points were "That's great, but...."  "Shenmue 3, that's great, but it's a way away."

We can do the same thing with Microsoft's stuff.  

"Backwards compatibility, that's fantastic, but I paid 350+$ to play new games, why would I want to play old ones."

"A new controller, cool, but it's 150$" 

Frankly, I don't care about the three big games Sony announced.  They weren't the most exciting games at the conference for me, by a long shot.  In fact, I'm more interested in MS's ReCore than really any of those.  

So I think it's an incorrect notion to assume that "gamers were manipulated, and that's why Sony won."  Some people genuinely are more interested in the games that were shown. 


I left off a lot.  It was just a synopsis.  Really, that Sony vr headset had me more excited than anything.  And games like Cuphead, that Rare pirate game, that space game, Fable, etc all have varying levels of excitement.  Maybe we can't agree on it M$ or Sony "won" E3.  Can we at least agree that Nintendo lost?