@nonname2200
This writing style of yours where you use ten sentences to describe something where you could have used just one, continuously using big grand words when they are not needed and talking in a condescending way has gone beyond cute, you don't sound like an intellegent person it comes across as you trying to cover up your lack of facts and at the same time you're talking down to me which doesn't work.
The fact still remains the wii isn't stealing away 360's and the ps3's 3rd party support and just because monster hunter 3 has jumped ship doesn't mean anything when 99% of all other 3rd party games haven't. EA creating a new studio to create wii games isn't stealing away 3rd party support from the 360 and ps3 either, the clue is in the word new, new people have been added to make additional games, the same amount of teams are still making 360 and ps3 games. The list of 3rd party quality games that are coming to the wii pales in comparision to the 360 and ps3. Do you even have any idea how many quality 3rd party games are coming out in the remainder of this year for the 360 and ps3? Here you go:
Grand Theft Auto IV
Race Driver: Grid
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit
Battlefield: Bad Company
Warhammer: Battle March
Rock Band
Robert Ludlum's The Bourne Conspiracy
The Wheelman
Soul Calibur IV
Golden Axe: Beast Rider
Saints Row 2
Don King Presents: Prizefighter
Midnight Club: Los Angeles
Brothers In Arms: Hell's Highway
Driver 5
Unreal Tournament III
Mercenaries 2: World In Flames
Silent Hill: Homecoming
Tekken 6
Aliens: Colonial Marines
Command & Conquer 3: Kane's Wrath
Just Cause 2
Dead Space
The Chronicles Of Riddick: Assault On Dark Athena
Fracture
Tom Clancy's HAWX
Tomb Raider: Underworld
Far Cry 2
Tom Clancy's EndWar
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Conviction
Prototype
World In Conflict: Soviet Assault
Highlander
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe
50 Cent: Blood On The Sand
Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising
Street Fighter 4
Fallout 3
Miyamoto is first party and like you said yourself doesn't count. Just because you can find quotes from one or two developers doesn't mean ALL developers share the same opinion and at the end of the day developers don't like upsetting platform holders so very few are likely to come out and say bad things about one of the three major hardware makers. The people i know in development are largely from EA and it's not just them and their teams, it's ALL the teams they talk to (including non ea teams) say the same thing, nobody given the choice wants to be stuck on the wii project because it's unforfilling, doesn't stretch them at all in the slightest and is incredibly boring.
This time last year wii fans were saying wait till e3 then lots of quality 3rd party games will be annouced....didn't happen, then they said wait till the end of the year.....again it didn't happen, then it was wait till early 2008.....yet again it didn't happen and now it's wait for this years e3. Well until all these quality games get annouced and are released and do infact turnout to be quality games then the wii will get called out on it's lack of 3rd party support, it's like the people saying wait for the price drops for the 360 and ps3 or wait for metal gear, final fantasy and gran turismo then the 360 or ps3 will out sell the wii, well until that does happen it's just wishfull thinking and hasn't happened, just like the wii getting a whole bunch of quality 3rd party games.
Wether you like it or not there are different types of gamers. Just like their are different types of music fans, just like their are different types of car owners. A music fan who likes death metal and goes to rock concerts and likes mosh pits is not the same type of music fan that wears posh clothes and goes to the opera. A car owner who buys sports cars and likes to go racing is not the same type of car owner who buys a family car and does the school run every day. Their are different types of gamers and as much as you idealistically want to lump all gamers into together you can't. The word casual gamer didn't start with the wii, it was used well before that with the people who just used to play singstar or eye toy on the ps2. Just because something is popular doesn't make it the best that's another thing you need to learn.
I never said grand theft auto 4 is just a hardcore game because the fact is it appeals to both hardcore and casual gamers just like mario kart does, however the ratios of hardcore to casual fans varies between the two games, mario kart is a game aimed at casual people but also has a hardcore following where as grand theft auto 4 is a hardcore game that also has a casual following. The audences that will buy wii fit and mario kart are mostly different to that of grand theft auto 4 so they are not competing directly with each other.
Also your points about trying to disprove hardcore and casual games by reffering to games that are front loaded and have legs falls on it's face because i said these types of games GENERALLY have these sales patterns so their are exceptions to these general rules.
But you know what i've seen many posters like you before and instead of talking about the original issue which is the wii's poor 3rd party sales, as you get proved wrong on each point you try and side track the issue by moving onto other things like the definition of casual and hardcore gamers. The simple fact is despite the wii having over a 6 million lead over the 360 it still can't outsell it in 3rd party sales and that's with developers not releasing any major games for the 360 in over a month due to them not wanting to go head to head with grand theft auto 4 and the wii's 3rd party sales getting a boost from mario and sonic at the olympics which contains first party characters and inflates sales. Until the wii sells the most 3rd party software on a regular basis and at a rate which is similar to it's hardware marketshare then the wii's 3rd party sales will be critized.
