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hsrob on 31 May 2015
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Zod95 said:
hsrob said:

You're mixing up the words power, capacity and capability, although related they're not the same. Again, like the word generation, you don't get to choose what the words actually mean. The ability to read CDs is a capability or feature that is largely independent of system power. CDs have storage capacity, not storage power. A PC without a DVD drive, isn't less powerful than one with, it's missing a feature. You have made up your own definition of power and said that anyone who disagrees with you is unreasonable, that's not a tenable argument.

As for whether a Megadrive game could look like a PS4, hyperbole that does a disservice to any point you might have actually had.

Continue defining words as you see fit and setting arbitrary conditions to support a position you've already decided upon. Keep doing that and you'll always be right.

You're just using semantics to prove a false point. Power is power. Nobody said it's just about the power to process.

A PC can work without a DVD drive but it can't work without HDD, can it? Or will a PC without any media drive and only 50MB of HDD be able to run 8th gen games (even if it has the best CPU and GPU on the market)? I'm indifferent in regards to the technology used to store data. 5th gen consoles didn't have HDD. Their storage capacity was solely based on media format. That's why N64 texture detail couldn't be as good. And you tell me this has nothing to do with power? It seems that I'm not the one with a strange definition of power.

As for the Mega Drive game, extreme cases reveal a logic's fragilities. Something that you claimed it was about talent (as if it was just about talent) is not. And you conviniently ignored the main point as well as my questions:

"The difference between WiiU and PS4 is the difference of an entire generation. The difference between PS1 and N64 isn't. WiiU's graphics are much more similar to PS3 and X360 than to PS4 and XOne (they even share some of the games). Would you say the same thing about PS1 and SNES / Mega Drive? Or do they share the same games?"

Although I challenge some definitions (which seems to be a sin, since the world is so perfect and the evolution is over) I'm not necessarily right all the time. But if my main points are not challenged and my questions get unanswered, maybe I'm not that wrong...

What false point? That power doesn't mean storage capacity like you seem to want it to mean.

Challenging meanings is one thing but when your main point is based on an incorrect meaning then you've built a house of cards.  Why would I argue the point, when the entire premise is flawed? No matter how you state it, having a CD drive does not mean the system has more power. I don't have a strange definition of power that's just what it means in English in the context of hardware. I might as well argue that the WiiU is more powerful than the PS4 because it has a second screen and the PS4 doesn't and can therefore do things the PS4 can't.

You stated that GT2 was evidence that the PS1 was more powerful, I countered with the fact that the exception doesn't make the rule and that a talented developer does not prove the hardware more powerful. I absolutely never said it was just about talent, those are your words, not mine. You then retorted that no developer could make a Genesis game look better than a PS4 game.  Of course, we are talking about 2 systems (of somewhat different power in the same gen), not two different systems 4 gens apart. That in no way disproves my initial point i.e. within a generation a talented developer can overcome superior hardware.

I'm perfectly happy to accept that WiiU graphics have more in common with 7th gen rather than 8th gen games, but that just makes it an underpowered 8th gen console, nothing more, nothing less. Comparing Dreamcast to Xbox and you'll find a difference in the same order of magnitude.

If you want to continue stating/believing that the WiiU is 7th generation, knock yourself out, I won't be offended........but it's still incorrect.