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Groundking on 14 May 2015
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Wyrdness said:
Groundking said:

And this isn't a showing into how gullible YOU are, buying into the bullshit idea that Zero hour contracts are the real reason behind the unemployment figures, when they're not. The UK economy almost certainly benefitting many people in the country that aren't rich at all. Leaving the EU would not change a fucking thing, Europe needs us far far more than we need them, we sadly need the US economy to be doing well. Europe is fucked, is going backwards and all the money from the souther states is going north, in particular to Germany. It's the most corrupt bullshit we've ever concieved and needs to die for the good of not just the UK, but all of Europe as a whole.


You're calling someone gullible but dismiss the effect the EU would have on UK, looks like someone has been buying into the right wing bull, I work in finance and deal with businesses believe me it will have a huge effect why do you think every Government has been reluctant as far as the EU goes. If it made no difference we would have left already, businesses alone who are our back bone will tell you straight leaving the EU could hurt us hard especially as an importing based country, understand what being part of the EU brings before you make that laughable staement, UK needs EU just as much as they need us don't get it twisted that's why we haven't left already. Cameron is aware of the chaos which is why even as a Tory he has dragged his feet on the issue as the rich businesses are against it and it would hurt the Tories for decades if we left the EU and businesses suffered as a result, they would be out for another 20 plus years.

You really think the poor are benefitting? Bedroom tax, benefit cuts with more on the way, wages below the living wage as inflation carries on as normal, NHS in disarrays, frozen pay in some sectors etc... Don't make me laugh.

Any European federal state (which is what the EU wants to become) should be concerned with promoting prosperity, justice, freedom, and peace, otherwise what's the point of having it? 

Even if the Euro fiasco is ignored, the EU is burdening it's member states with phenomenal bureaucratic burdens that are costing significant percentages of GDP, so prosperity is out. The EU courts ignore or reinterpret laws to promote political agendas, so justice is out too. Individual and political freedoms are shrinking rather than growing under the EU, as the populace has no democratic influence on policy and are being subjected to a continuous stream of regulations. As far as peace is concerned, the EU has a record of bullying small nations for reasons of political convenience rather than realpolitik, while ignoring necessary confrontations with countries like Russia, Iran, or China. Add to that the complete lack of sanctions towards the rampant corruption in the administration, and you have an organization that is tolerated by the European poulace because their politicians claim the EU is necessary, rather than enthusiastically supported. 

For most European nations, the EU is a step down as far as the aforementioned categories are concerned, so why should the populace support it? The second it stopped being a treaty of trade and prosperity, it became a project by and for politicians. 
As it has no solid foundation amongst the people, I suspect that it will collapse like a house of cards the minute politicians no longer see an advantage in supporting it. And most likely noone will misss it. We don't need the EU, France doesn't need the EU and Germany certainly don't need the EU and for Spain and Italy the EU has been a truly toxic political union, leading them to suffer all kinds of economic problems. Businesses don't want us to leave the EU as businesses simply don't like uncertainty (look at how the stock market rebound after the Tories won the Majority last week), but long term it's absolutely better for the countries businesses to leave the EU. The way people talk about how it will be bad for business simply make me laugh, there is absolutely no chance that we wouldn't continue to have free trade with the (important) European countries for the simple fact that the European countries would suffer more by any tarif applied to trade, they're never going to let up free trade between ourselves and the continent, it's simply not going to happen.

The Bedroom tax is crap I unfortunately agree, but with how dire the housing crisis is something needed to attempted to be done, it's just failed spectacularily. Benefit cuts are needed as the Benefit system is far to easily abused, and the state needed to reduce size desperately. Sadly some people have fallen through the cracks, but that's going to happen anyway, and less and less people will fall through the cracks as employment continues to rise. The Living wage is the biggest load of shit I've ever heard. I mean what even IS the 'living wage'? The NHS is in dissaray due to decades of underinvestment, a population that's growing far too fast for it to keep up, and people abusing the thing. It would be under a lot less stress if people didn't go in for every little thing wrong with them, or got perscriptions for stuff like Paracetamol for free just because they can. In some sectors, yes, but real wages have been going up (minus bonuses) at around 2% for the past year and a half at least, whilst this 'inflation crysis' simply doesn't exist with inflation at basically 0 for a year and a half.