Any theist around here?

[reggin_bolas]

Teeqoz said:

reggin_bolas said:

So does the atheist who boldy claims there is no god. And you can't prove a ne gative so have fun with that one. There is plenty of "proofs" postulated by philosophers throughout the ages. Artistotle for example. The universe is a series of causes requiring an ultimate cause. The argument is sound. 

Also laws of physics are conceptual in nature and not physical themselves. Conceptual laws require agency. They can't create themselves or appear randomly.

I don't enjoy these debates, they are ultimately futile. There is virtue in defending one's beliefs though.  

Exactly, you can, by defintion not disprove God, but the burden of proof lies with the ones who claim there is a God, so it's their task to provide positive proof for the existence of this God. Again, you still act like an atheist is one thing, and an agnostic is something else. Like I said, I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't believe there is a God (hence I'm atheist) but it's literally impossible to disprove a God, so we can't be 100% sure (Hence I'm an agnostic). You're just reinforcing my point now.

In my younger days I was quite impassioned about proving God or perhaps more important; proving my dissidents wrong. That doesn't work, it's futile. Belief in God is personal. Mass conversion does not occur via some intelligent debate. It occurs at an individual level. 

The actual proof of God is pretty irrelevant to personal transformation and spiritual evolution. You can still refer to interesting arguments but it won't lead anywhere.