Without Playstation, would the industry be in another crisis?

[Mr Puggsly]

Materia-Blade said:

"I am considering the Wiimote and Nunchuck together. Even together there is only one joystick. The Pro Controller has two joysticks. If the Wiimote had a joystick your argument would actually have some validity."

The games did just fine with what the wiimote + nunchuck had, so no.

"Haha! You consider 500K great numbers? The reality is that's why core support died on Wii."

GOSH, you didn't even read, did you? IN 2010, WII GOT 20 RELEASES THAT SOLD A MINIMUM OF 500K. most were multi million sellers.

"Those sales are crap compared to what PS360 were achieving."

ps360 had games that were multimillion sellers and also games that barely sold 500k. wii had games that were multimillion sellers and also games that barely sold 500k.

"Core games were lucky to do 500K on Wii while its competitors were doing multi millions"

Regardless of your definition of "core", that will always remain false.

"Again, you say CoD isn't core but ignore how well it does on core platforms."

Core platforms? you're gonna insist on those imaginary terms? anyway, if you think cod of all things is core, than you cannot possibly consider any genre as casual.

"I said show me Wii did better at moving core software than SNES/PS1/PS2. I didn't ask for proof Wii could sell casual stuff and Mario games."

"Casual stuff and mario games" This is pure downplaying. I didn't know that zelda, metroid, kirby, DK, fire emblem, xenoblade, punch out, sin and punishment... + many other 3rd party titles = mario games. even mario kart/party aren't mario games.

"if Wii was a successful core platform then the Wii U wouldn't be struggling this bad right now."

Absolutely no relation. A console's success isn't determined by it's predecessor. Just look at ps3 and ps vita.

Again, the Wiimote + Nunchuck is not a standard gamepad. Most people (core gamers especially) prefer a standard gamepad so that is why the Pro Controller exist. The Wii U basically dropped the Wiimote because they wanted to appeal to core audience with a gamepad that has a touch screen on it. Which was stupid because the Wii U is another casual console and casuals like the Wiimote. The Wiimote also helped distinguish Nintendo platforms from its competitors.

No, go do your research. There are few 3rd party core games released in 2010 that sold over 500K. The only 3rd party core games that sold over a million and were released in 2010 was Black Ops and Goldeneye.

Here's is a reality you're ignoring... platforms appeal to different audiences. The core audience is not imaginary and its something Nintendo wanted to acquire with Wii U. It failed and that's why compnaies like Ubisoft will keep bringing Just Dance but not Assassin's Creed.

1st party games did extremely or pretty well on Wii, but that doesn't encourage 3rd party core support. Also the people primarily buying 1st party games on Wii were casual.

The success of PS4 absolutely has to do with PS3. The PS3 had the largest core audience and they went to PS4. PSP had a large casual audience and that went away (casuals aren't reliable, Nintendo learned this). As you might notice the Vita library attempts appeal to core audience because casual audience is gone. X1 is doing damage control but its still doing significantly better than Wii U because Xbox has a core following.