Blob said:
Torillian said:
why is it irrational? Do you have evidence of another universe without god's influence where there were no laws and everything was perfectly random at every moment? You can't say something is unlikely or irrational when you only have one event to look at. There is no proof that universes can come into existence without these laws, and in that context "every universe that is viable is defined by ____ laws" it would be perfectly rational for a randomly formed universe to come into existence with those laws.
Lots of irrational things happen when you look at events outside of your everday life. Quantum Mechanics is a great example which doesn't follow what most would deem rational, bt it' whatscience has observed. If it's true that an electron can only exist in certain orbitals around an atom and not in between them then it seems reasonable to state that perhaps our universe exists as it does with the rules it does because that it the only way a universe can come to be.
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Funnily enough I know a theoretical physicist who told me that once you reach that level they stop teaching orbital theories and basically say they don't believe it. I'll have to ask him what their theoretical model currently is at some point.
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You'll have to let me know. I'm sure it's a simplification of reality that works for us chemists, but I'd be curious to know how it differs from what physicists who look at these things in detail consider.
I do know that it isn't about discrete orbits around an atom but more that there are electron clouds around the nucleus with a certain probability to find the electron in any given space arond it. The idea that the elctrons only have specific quantized states that they can be in comes does seem to hold water as the absorbance lines from elements are very crisp and not the continuum you would expect if the elctrons were totally free around the nucleus. My understanding of it is that because the electron acts as a wave as well as a particle there are only certain distances around the nucleus where it can exist and the waveform of the electron will not destructively interfere with itself.
Anything beyond that level of understanding though I would have to read up on.
