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TGM said:
toon link is AMAZING. he will just barely miss the top 5 characters.

shiek is absolutly horrible. she can still combo but since DI was increased in brawl her combos wont last more than 3-4 hits before people get out of it. her BEST move(the slap) wont kill any more.........sheik sucks. she will be low tier

and again, fludd is totaly usless. it may have worked on ike, but a smart ike would NEVER be in that situation you described. A smart ike wont randomly OVER B. or OVER B in the air where ANY BODY could get him. mario will be bottom tier.

now onto ike. Ike can kill ANY character other than ganon,dk,bowser,dedede at 40% with his F smash. that alone is a scary thought. Remember how marth does increased damage and increased knockback with his tip? well ike does even MORE knockback AND damage with ALL of his sword......again, this makes people poop thier pants. Ike jabs are the one thing that can hurt the characters that can run circles around him. The ONLY THING that hold sike back is his speed/lag of his attacks/his predictable recovery. he will be high tier, not top.

in case some of you do not kow the order of the tiers:

Top
High
Mid
Low
Bottom

And how does a "smart" Ike recover from being thrown off far to the side?
His aether barely goes sideways.
So of course Ike uses dash to reach the ledge.
What happens then is Mario uses Fludd and hits Ike midway.
Sendling him diagonally up, then slowly floats down.
Tough in hindsight, I guess Mario grabbing the ledge would have been more effective(of course mario can still do it after fludd).

Guess I need to work extra hard for my Shiek.
Thanks for the info.




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