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Wyrdness on 09 April 2015
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spemanig said:


I never said that the west wasn't always the majority, but never, until recently, has the console market in japan been as irrelevant as it is now. That's what I'm getting at. In an ecosystem where japan frankly doesn't matter anymore, it's stupid for any company to only make games that pretend that the tastes of the west aren't important, which is exactly what Nintendo is doing.

It doesn't matter that the XBO behind the PS4. It's still selling competently in lue of a marketing catastrophy, unlike the Wii U. No one is saying that lack of mainstream appeal is the only reason Nintendo's console business is failing, but it's impossible to deny that it's an overwhelming factor, and is a big part of the reason the XBO is still breathing right now. When XBO fucked up, they adapted and fixed what they did wrong. Nintendo is not doing that, not with it's software.

I didn't prove anything of yours. The hype marketing stopped because Activision stopped paying for it. That has no bearing on the game's appeal. It's 10m+ active userbase does. It doesn't matter if they don't sell that 10m. Even if it's 3-4m, it's 3-4m consumers Nintendo aren't even trying to get. That's stupid when they are the dominating market, and it needs to change.


Except Japan having a shrinking market still doesn't detract from my point, Nintendo doesn't pretend the west doesn't exist either that's pure rubbish no other way to put it, all of their last 4 platforms from DS have launched in the west first for a start.

XBO being demolished by PS4 is exactly the point because if Nintendo were doing the same as what you say they would not be fairing any better or their position now may be even worse, for a console that in your mind is doing everything right the difference in sales is 2.4m according to this site over a console you say is a catastrophe while the PS4 is almost 9m units ahead of it and gaining. XBO also highlights what I said earlier, what helped XBO was the drop in price not the software, the software engineered to the mainstream was there in droves but it was getting outsold by even the Wii U, it was the drop in price that was the catalyst.

Activision not making anymore payments on the hype and marketing after it's in full swing doesn't disregard the huge campaign had a massive effect, it was touted as a 10 year project on a scale bigger then games like Halo. Many of them don't even sell 3-4m either in fact it's hard for many of them to hit 1m, Nintendo aren't going out their way to get these consumers because of reasons I mentioned earlier with the constant shifting of the mainstream (10 years a go the dominant genre was JRPGs while now that genre has struggled) and to top it off these consumers are not going to rush out to buy Nintendo's platforms if these games were present in their library as the XBO shows against the PS4 the's only room for one platform on the mainstream podium and this is between comparable hardware.

Nintendo is far better off doing things their own way rather then be Sony or MS lite.