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HoloDust on 07 April 2015
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RolStoppable said:
spemanig said:

No, it absolutely doesn't. Retro's game isn't to prove there's an audience; it's meant to build one. If Nintendo makes games specifically tailored towards western gamers who don't typically buy Nintendo hardware, and those games selling well on Nintendo hardware, and the simultaneous western third party games start sell well on Nintendo hardware along side them, in what alien alternate reality does that make third party studios think that their games won't sell well on Nintendo hardware? Also, where did I ever say that Nintendo or third parties would have to wait for Retro to make three games for a single Nintendo console? I definitely never said that Retro would be the only studio providing western first party games, that's for sure.

Are you kidding? Nintendo is running a platform. If it takes third party software support to get consumers to buy their hardware, to hell if it isn't Nintendo's job to get that support. If it takes western first party IPs to cultivate an audience who will buy those games, and it does, then it is literally noone's job but Nintendo's to provide them. None of my views are conflicting. When did I ever say that it's Nintendo gamers jobs buy third party games? Nintendo's current audience clearly doesn't want those games, and they don't need to want them. It's Nintendo's job to build an audience that does, because the audience that does literally dwarfs the audience that doesn't, and the audience that does isn't buying Nintendo home consoles. It's not western gamers' jobs to buy Nintendo hardware, it's Nintendo's job to sell it to them. Wrap that in a bow.

The fact is, handhelds and consoles are completely different ecosystems with different needs. Handhelds do better in japan, are a better environment for the types of games those guys can afford to create, and Nintendo makes games for it that adequately feed that ecosystem, so the 3DS gets better 3rd party support from them. News flash; it still get's shit third party support from western devs who aren't indies. That doesn't matter, because the kinds of games western studios are making don't work with the handheld games. They cost too much to make for the sales they get. When Nintendo's handhelds aren't selling and the reason is because of poor western 3rd party support, then come talk to me.

Western devs want to make console games. That's the big market in the west and those are the games that most consumers want to buy in the west. Third parties are clearly making games that people want to buy; that's why they sell so well on other platforms. Them not selling well on Nintendo isn't some magical "oh, well everything they put on Nintendo is shit" alibi. There are games that aren't shit ports, and they still don't sell because there is no audience there to buy them. That's Nintendo's fault and that's up to Nintendo to fix, or their consoles will continue to sell like garbage.

It doesn't take third party support to sell Nintendo hardware. Nintendo has been struggling this generation (home console and handheld) because their hardware design sucked (I am not talking about horsepower or architecture here) and their first party output sucked. Neither of these two things mean that Nintendo will require third party support for their future systems, because the main things to fix are completely under Nintendo's control.

And if you think that an audience that has been trained to believe that third party games are shit on Nintendo consoles will change their minds, there's not much else to say. Third parties are making games that people want to buy for non-Nintendo hardware.

I am not worried about Nintendo's future if they choose to not suck up to third parties, but I would be worried if they decided that that is the best course of action. Mind you, I am not against the idea that Nintendo should make more games, but if they do that, it's not going to be for the purpose of attracting a certain kind of third party support.

Sorry for jumping in, but I don't think the point is attracting so much 3rd party support per se, as much as people who like to play current mainstream games...though it's true that most of those big hitters are 3rd party games.

Making few new western oriented IPs that catter to that audience would be pretty good starting point...not unlike what MS did with Halo, Gears and Fable when they decided to compete in that market.

Of course, this is all if Nintendo wants them on their home consoles in the first place...