Hiku said:
zorg1000 said:
That's where the difference in opinion comes from, ur a diehard fighting fan so of course u have to own the console with the best fighting lineup, for somebody who simply enjoys fighting games, having a handful of good games in said genre is enough.
The start of this discussion was whether or not Wii was missing certain genres, fighters is a genre that was represented on Wii.
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As another fighting game fan, I want to chime in here. And let me just state first that technically Wii has something from every genre. The question is if it's decently represented. When someone says that a console has "no games", they don't literally mean no games, of course.
If the system doesn't at least have Street Fighter, Tekken (alt. Dead of Alive, Soul Calibur), an anime fighter (not games based on animes, but so called "air dashers", BlazBlue, Guilty Gear, Persona Arena, Melty Blood, etc) and a western fighter (Mortal Combat, Injustice), then it's not a console that many fighting game fans would feel satisfied with.
Because fighting game fans are mainly from at least one of those groups. And out of all of those, Wii only has Mortal Combat covered.
Although, it should be mentioned that there were three games that also became rather popular last generation with the FGC but don't exactly fit into any of those categories. Marvel vs Capcom 3, King of Fighters 13, and Smash Bros. Wii has Tatusnoko and of course Smash. Although technically the vast majority still prefered and played Melee, and Tatsunoko never became nearly as popular as MvC3.
But still, just the lack of Street Fighter, Tekken or any 3D fighter, as well as any anime fighter, was a huge blow for the Wii in that regard. You just have to have those things. Because fighting game fans are largely from at least one of those blocks. (It does have MK, but not anything from the rest.)
There's also another problem with fighting games on the Wii, and that was the lack of buttons on the controller. Which might explain why some games like Street Fighter never made it to the console. (Though they made a simplified version for the 3DS later.)
The Gamecube had a similar problem with the buttons on the controller not being suited for fighting games. But that time it was more the layout rather than the number of buttons available. Do you know how they solved that problem in Capcom vs SNK 2 on the GameCube? They put all three punches and kicks on the L & R triggers. And depending on how deeply you pressed it down, you'd get a different version of the punch or kick.....
Moreover, during the 6th generation, fighting games were one of the genres where online netplay and communities became extremely important, along with First Person Shooters. In fact I would argue that a good netcode is more important for fighting games than any genre, since fighting games often require constant precise frame perfect input commands, so you'll notice lag impacting your game far more in a fighting game when you constantly drop combos and your opponent blocks than if your rocket launcher goes off a milisecond too late in a FPS and still kills its target. Moreover, there are usually fleshed out campaign modes and other things in FPS's to have fun with (except in Titanfall), while that's usually not the case in fighting games, with few exceptions.
Anyway, the online network for Wii was as we all know rather lacking in many regards. Xbox 360 was the most stable in this regard, and PS3 came a bit after. But Wii was often pretty attrocious here, and there was really no competetive scene on the Wii for this reason. So it wasn't easy to go on Tatsunoko and find people to play with. And of course now it's not even possible, since Nintendo shut down the online network a year ago.
Of course there are people who just want to mash buttons in Naruto, or throw fireballs in Dragonball. But I would not say that a console is representing the fighting game genre well without those key fighting games and decent online. Otherwise, you're mostly only appealing to the group I just mentioned.
So if someone asked me about Wii and fighting games? I'd give it a red X.
I still play fighting games online on my PS3, and rightfully so, because the successors of the next gen fighting games haven't really started yet. But I can't even do that on the Wii.
But if you love Smashing locally with friends, then you're gonna have lotsa fun with that. But as for the rest, it's not close to getting a passing grade overall.
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