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Hedra42 said:

ohmylanta1003 said:

Hedra42 said:

But he's right.

According to reports, the venue didn't have a permit to host that number of people. They didn't have a permit for all the extra electrical equipment. When this was discovered, the local fire marshals closed the whole thing down as it was deemed a fire hazard. These are safety things that should have been checked and dealt with before the event began. On top of that, there'd been damage to the building due to recent storms.

How is that funny?

(1) That's great man. Doesn't matter. It isn't the job of the event coordinator to fucking inspect the building to make sure all codes are being followed. Should I, if I'm coordinating an event, know this handbook cover to cover?

http://www.illinois.gov/cdb/business/codes/Documents/BuildingCodesDirectory.pdf

(2) It is the job of the people who work at the establishment and building inspectors to make sure that codes are not being broken. Not the goddamn customer. If I say that I want rooms for 1,000 people and they don't have room for 1,000 people, the hotel needs to say so. I do not have to babysit them.

Another example: every food establishment displays a sign indicating how many people are allowed to be in the restaurant at one time. Is it my job, AS A CUSTOMER, to count how many people are in the restaurant to make sure it's okay for me to be in there? Is it? Is it?

(3) Anyway, if you'd like to talk about the responsibility of the customer, let's go bud. I'd be glad to talk. But when I coordinate an event, I'm not gonna ask if the building meets all the building codes, because there's people that are supposed to do that for me (hired BY THE CITY, PAID FOR BY MY TAXES). And I'm certainly not gonna ask what their fucking carbon footprint is. And that is why it's funny.

(1) It is the job of an event organiser to carry out a risk assessment. That means collecting all the neccessary risk assessment data from all parties/contractors involved in the event, and identifying any extra precautions that might be needed. It does not mean you need to learn a 7000 page handbook like the one referenced above. That link is a poor attempt at ridiculing a very important stage of event organisation - a stage that is a legal requirement here in the UK.

(2) All parties have their own resposibilities. Sure, the owner of the venue is responsible for making sure they comply with all health and safety codes but the event organiser is responsible for checking that the venue is suitable and safe for the event they propose to run. The analogy of a customer's responsibility to count people in a restaurant is irrelevant and ridiculous - hotels do not advertise outside their premises how many people they can hold during an event. Whether or not a venue is permitted to hold the number of attendees expected is part of the fact finding exercise the event organiser is (legally) required to do.

(3) You are correct in that if you are an event organiser, you're not expected to inspect the wiring and the structure yourself, and that reports from experts can be provided for you. But it IS your responsibility to make sure the venue is safe and suitable based on that information, and on top of that, ensure any extra safety precautions are put in place in order to accommodate your event. Knowing whether the electrical wiring will take the extra power consumption is a particularly important example, in this case.

I have no comments on the mention of carbon footprints earlier in this thread, as I don't know the context it was taken out of. But it is pure common sense for any event organiser, whether it's a private birthday party in a hotel or an event the size of Glastonbury Festival, to check for any changes in circumstances right up until the time it starts, to make sure everything is still ok for it to go ahead.

Because if people are injured, or worse, killed during an event, no matter who's negligence it was, it ISN'T funny.

in germany its normal for some events to check the co² footprint, that is not mandatory, but many people care for it and its not that hard in germany because traveling with the train isnt unnormal and the most hotels are relativly carbonneutral.