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ckmlb said:
Gballzack said:

Is the Wii what gamers want? Let the sales speak for themselves.

Is the PS3 what gamers want? Let the sales speak for themselves.

Is the 360 what gamers want? Let the sales speak for themselves. 


1. Yes, completely ignore the price tags. Also the Wii is selling mostly to the same gamers that bought the gamecube, the new people buying the Wii are non-gamers or the 'casual' gamers that Nintendo is trying to get to buy it.

2. Also, sales doesn't always mean quality, do I need to point out to how well low quality stuff have sold in all fields of human endeavor? Think Spiderman 3 as the latest example. 

1. The price tag was something the Company took into consideration long before the console launched and therin not something that can be excluded as a component of the console's intended or absolute appeal. They made the decision to make it what it was. And if people aren't buying it because of the price, that's just another reason the console isn't desireable to the consumer. If you make the best console in the world and then no one buys it, it obviously wasn't the best console in the world. This is naive course of logic regardless as by your argument the Gamecube should have sold better than the PS2 and Xbox.

Face it, arguing price tags as an excuse is just justification after the fact. The consumer decides which console is what they want. Please for the love of god don't tell me you're actually going to try and argue against sales numbers on an issue solely dependent on sales numbers as the one and only objective measure.

2. No, but they they do show what the consumer  wants. And since Nintendo has Sony and MS beat hands down on quality control in every aspect of the console's longevity and reliability... You're making a moot point to begin with. Please don't tell me you're going to try and argue that Sony builds more reliable console hardware than Nintendo now... Sigh... 

Also, the quality of Spiderman 3 is debatable, at best conjecture, not a fact that can be used to prove or support any point as it is a unique incident whose correlary to or comparison of anything else in the gaming world is arguable at best.. It's also somewhat of a poor example irregardless as we're not talking about the perception of "quality" in products, we're talking about consumer appeal hence forth, what the consumer wants.

ckmlb said:

I didn't say graphics alone are going to make that difference. But it will make a difference because the gap is only going to grow as we go. In two years, the Wii is going to look a lot worse for someone looking for games because the gap will be bigger and the price of 360 and PS3 will be lower. 

 Are we certain the Wii's graphics won't improve just as you claim the PS3 and 360's will? If the gap doesn't matter to the majority of gamers now, why will it ever? Does the gap between the DS and PSP matter to gamers?

ckmlb said:

None of this will matter to the casual players buying Wiis now. The question is how long will casual gamers flock to buy Wiis before  the control and motion stuff gets old and how many games do casual gamers buy a year compared to gamers?  

Who says the motion controller will get old? Did the DS get old? If its just a fad (which people also called the DS), why did the PS3 try and capitalize on it with their own cheap knock off? If its just a fad, why did you buy one? If its just a fad, why are concerned about its impact on the gaming market?

Do you have any statistics on how many games a year "casual gamers" buy vs "gamers"? No, you don't, so what makes you think bringing this up proves anything? The use of two such subjectively defined categories is pretty asinine in itself to begin with much ales to take it another step further by pretending there is any possibility of measuring such artificial, after the fact, distinctions. In the end, essentially anyone who sides with the Wii is marked as a "casual gamer" and any one who sides with the PS3 or 360 is deemd a true "gamer", it's just elitist bullshit.
Your argument is simply just you trying to force what you wish would happen as what is 'obviously' going to happen with no factual or anecdotal reasoning to support it. All the facts and past trends in gaming disagree with your predictions, all you have is your hopes.