Microsoft has done a lot of innovations

[McDonaldsGuy]

Tachikoma said:

McDonaldsGuy said:

Quake 3 on the Dreamcast did not sell 8 million or close to it, or revolutionize online gaming. By the way I used to own Quake 3 on the Dreamcast and liked it.

Kindly stop moving the goalposts, here is your statement.

McDonaldsGuy said:

Which console had a killer first person shooter with online play?

I dont see a sales requirement here, just a false claim that you seem hell bent on defending to the death rather than simply doing the mature thing of saying "actually yeah, im wrong, my bad"

SkyHold said:

I did not know this about the Atari as I never had one,but he is wrong again I see.

To be accurate, for the Atari, it was more Activision themselves that offered them with their range of games, this is a near complete range of them offered for people reaching certain achievements in their games.

Im my opinion, far cooler than a meaningless numerical gamerscore.

There were no achievements or a gamerscore on the Atari 2600. As I said, you are reaching. Saying the computer printer isn't innovative cause of the Gutenberg printing press. And it was an innovation because a) achievements are fun, give games some more value (to some people), and enough of an innovation for Sony to copy them with trophies. And some games have had achievements before, or not built in the system (Mega Man 9 had achievements for the PC), but I am saying as an integral part of the console. Not something extra.

And I said a killer first person shooter. Meaning killer app. Quake 3 was not a killer app.