Should Nintendo's next console be a microconsole?

[Jizz_Beard_thePirate]

zorg1000 said:

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

It doesn't matter if the console is more powerful than the wiiU cause the games will be avaliable on the handheld. It is as simple as that. There is no reason for anyone to pay twice the amount for two different hardware if both plays the exact same games, just one being able to play the games on the TV. That is why the Vita failed because a lot of its games can be found else where. And since the handheld has always been popular on Nintendo's side, majority will go for the handheld instead of the console

And if it didn't work with other companies, it wont work for Nintendo for the very same reason.

And what do you mean the Vita sold 400k in 2.5 months vs Vita TV 100k in the same time frame? Just look at the december NPD for example. Last december, the Vita sold 130k and Vita TV sold 20k... That will never result in a number that you gave for the Micro-console vs Handheld if you compare it like that... And the sales of the Vita TV is laughable at best considering its the holidays. And considering it sold 40k in October and November combined, the Vita TV sold 60k in NA LTD...

And the reason why people will choose the handheld is because in the History of Nintendo platforms, their handheld has always sold better than the consoles in the exact same generation. And when they choose the handheld, they wont bother with the micro-console at all where as if they make a standard console, the handheld owners might consider it a lot higher since it will give them exclusive games that cant be played on the handheld. Also nope, if the wiiU is the same price as the 3ds and has the exact same library, there is no reason for anyone to get the wiiU because it will have the exact same hardware as the 3ds if we are going my your logic. No one will pay almost twice the amount for two pieces of hardware that does virtually the samething

Who said u had to buy both devices, if u want to play on the go, get the handheld, if u want to play at home, get the console. Vita failed for a ton of reasons, expensive handheld, expensive memory cards, lack of the big games that made PSP a success, also a big part of PSP success was due to being a portable multimedia device which was a big deal back in 2005-2008, now it's not such a huge deal due to a plethora of portable multimedia devices on the market, horrible advertising, lack of support outside of Niche Japanese titles and indies.

I hate that train of thought, it didn't work for them so it can't work for anyone. By that logic, most things in life would be seen as impossible.

I figured it made more sense to compare the devices in the same time frame. But that Vita number for Dec is laughable as well, which supports my argument, Vita is a failure, a device that plays Vita games on a TV was gauranteed to be a failure as well. If Vita games can't sell the Vita, than why would Vita games sell the Vita TV?

NES outsold Game & Watch 1.5:1, SNES slightly outsold Gameboy in the 4th generation, Gameboy outsold N64 2:1 in the 5th generation, GBA outsold GC nearly 4:1, DS outsold Wii 1.5:1. Overall sales of Nintendo consoles thru Wii is around 270 million, handheld sales thru DS are around 400 million. On average handhelds have outsold consoles 1.5:1, doesn't my 50 -65m handheld, 30-35 million console expamle fall around that ratio?

You do realize that a lot of console owners own the handheld right? And there is a lot of overlap between who buys a wiiU and who buy both the wiiU and 3ds? If Nintendo does that mini-console nonsense, they will lose that market for sure. It really isn't hard to see why this is a bad idea. The reason why Vita failed isn't cause it was expensive, the reason why it failed was due to the fact that its price did not justify the cost of purchase due to a large lack of exclusives and on a mini-console it never does.

And no, the reason why it doesn't work for companies and it won't work for Nintendo is cause no one wants it regardless of who makes them and that is proven by the sales of other mini-consoles. There is no reason to get the mini-console if you can just as easily get the handheld which is compatible with all the games cause the handheld has a touchscreen which the miniconsole will not have. And also the fact that its portable as well as many other things.

And yes, the Vita's sales is also laughable but the point is that, even though those sales are laughable, the difference between the Vita TV and the Vita is even greater.

And not really cause times have changed... You really can't use old Handheld vs Console data from a time where Nintendo was dominanent in the console market cause they aren't even close anymore. Sure, they were with the wii but that was the exception. And a Micro-console does not follow the same sorta sales as a standard console. A Micro-console always has significantly less sales than a normal console because it loses that overlap of people buying both systems. I am pretty sure virtually everyone that owns a Nintendo console also owns their handheld since the n64 days and doing it like your idea will guarantee that they lose that market