Samus Aran said:
padib said:
Samus Aran said:
A khalif is much more than just a religious leader, even from the very first khalif in history this was already established. Politics and religion are intertwined in Islam. That's a BIG reason why there are so many conflicts there.
In Europe there was always a seperation between state and Christianity (even though Christianity had a lot of political influence until the 20th century).
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I still don't see how it contradicts what I said.
The point I was trying to make is that people join violent causes for much more than religion, almost 90% of the time. Yes I pulled that number out of nowhere. What I'm saying is that people who join a violent fanatical cause is generally for questions of having a happier life, less frustration, more victory for what they feel they belong to (not necessarily religion but possibly people group).
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The problem is you're trying to seperate politics and religion. Other than that, there's not much wrong with what you say.
If Islamic countries could achieve seperation of state and religion they'd be much better off. Turkey is the only Islamic country that has achieved that. It's also the most civilized (although I don't like what Erdogan is doing there at the moment...).
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Maybe I'm a little ignorant here, but isn't Indonesia pretty civilized? And in theory, there's quite a few Islmic countries that have separated state and... mosque (?), like Egypt. BUT no doubt religion is still a VERY powerful influence in all these countries.
