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avais1993 said:
rioskenny1 said:
Aeolus451 said:
What if Heaven is some sort of trap? Will we still have "Free" will?

Most likely, it's not. Lucifer disobeyed god and rebelled while in heaven. Isn't that a sign of free will while in heaven? That also makes you wonder, if you could fall from heaven.

Didnt god sent him to hell after that? If so thats not free will at all.


In the Islamic version of this story we have three main components, Idlis (the devil), the angels, and Adam (PBUH) the first human. In our version of events the devil is not a fallen angel, rather he is the king of the djinn, a race of human-like things which dwelled on earth before we did and made out of fire, the devil made his way up the ranks by devotion to Allah (swt) and earned his place at the top. This symbolises 3 things;

1) He had free will

2) Angels do not have free will

3) God considers us his best creation

When Allah swt creates Adam PBUH he asks all the angels and the devil to bow, all the angels do so immediately, however pride overcomes him and he says he is better than Adam, as he is made out of fire and we of clay. Even after this astounding showing of disobediance in Allah swt's face he asks for mercyand to live until the end of time and is forgiven, however then he swears on gods name that he will wreck the human creation and Adam and all his offspring and lead them away from Allah swt, and this is why he is thrown in hell. Not for having freedom, but by directly being disobediant.



Hmm, that's interesting. I'll have to read up on that later on. I'm sure there's something about free will in heaven in that version. I find that stuff interesting at times. It's why I first bothered reading some of the christian bible.