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pepharytheworm said:
Aerys said:
pepharytheworm said:

Aerys said:

 And women can avoid abortion by wearing a condom so... It's silly to think the condom is the responsibality of the man only, the condom is the responsability of both.

The law can easily be changed, at least just by letting the man choose to not be the father of the child, be " under X " without being forced to do anything, like they allow for women even if the woman wants him to recognize the child and pay for him. If the woman has the choice to legally not take care of her child and give him up without being guilty and called coward, a man shouuld have that choice too

Why do people think men have no choices? If the mother doesn't want the child (not meaning abortion) the father has a right to full custody or putting the kid up for adoption. If he gets custody he would also get child-support from the mother. You got be kidding yourself if you think that women who put up for adoption or abort their child aren't thought of as cowardly.


Dont know where you live but it isnt like that at all in France, if a mother gives birth under X, she can get away with it, a man just cant do that, so the woman can choose to pay nothing for the child if she is under X, she has no legal obligation, even if the man gets custody, at the opposite, if she wants to raise the child, the man has a legal obligation and has to pay. So no, sorry, there is absolutely no equality here, it's totally unfair and should be changed. And i bet it's the same in your country but you dont know.

And about being seen as a coward, you got to be kidding if you think it's the same thing, never a woman will be seen like asshole because she leaves the child to adoption, while the man will be seen as the worst man ever if he doesnt respect his legal obligations, since the law says he must do it.

The thread title reads: (primarily USA focused). You should have mentioned your perpective comes from french laws if that's the case. I am from the US and no state I have lived at had a law stating women didn't have to provide support but men did. What the heck is" under X" suppose to represent? If your country has that as law I would like a source so I can read up on it. Most I could find is paternity tests are banned and that is wrong and should be changed.

When's the last time fathers have been called murders in your country when a women gets an abortion. A woman who in my country doesn't pay support for children or doesn't want her kids is seen way more terrible then a man who does the same, partly because of the sexist views that women are suppose to show love to their child and men not is understandable because men aren't as nurturing, while still  also being considered terrible.

I'll guess our countries are different since France is the second most important feminist country in the world so women began to get big  advantages over men on a lot of subjects ... I thought birth Under X existed everywhere :  http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accouchement_sous_X

http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/particuliers/F3136.xhtml

Birth under X represents the right for a woman to give up the baby to the adoption services and be anonymous ( then she has no legal obligation and the child will never be able to find her ) , that's what is totally unfair , men have absolutely no similar right.

 

Here, a woman has the right to be coward, it's autorized by the law so it'sn ot seen negatively by people, at the opposite, man has no such right so if he decides to give up the child against the law, he is wrong to the eyes of everyone



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