Sunset Overdrive and Forza Horizon 2 were released at Bad times

[Mr Puggsly]

Kerotan said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Kerotan said:

Those Forza's had ridiculous amounts of bundles. As you say F4 bundles around 2M because that game sold over 4M. That's hugesly reliable on bundles. And I'm not ignoring the numbers are good but the graph is one of decline. Not helped by the severe milking. Forza 6? Big deal. In the last 2 years Forza fans will have played Forza 5 and Horizon. That game won't do big numbers without bundles. It gets hype on the internet because it's exclusive. 

Similar to sunset overdrive? Infamous and ratchet and clank are very similar games. (the ps3 infamous' btw.) Big numbers for that genre. Insomniacs dwindling fan base is mainly on PS so that straight away helps it. I've gotten a lot of their games since PS1's Spyro trilogy and I'd have skipped overdrive. They made F.U.S.E I think and I skipped that too. SO is a good game critically but it just seems like something you'll play for a week then move on. And judging by the deflation of hype for it, that appears to have happened. 

I think you're missing the point. You're too focused on bundling and ignore the series does well outside of the bundling. Two million sales is still good, that's enough to keep most IPs going. Also, a new Forza every few years stimulates sales and revenue more than keeping the old game on the market for $20.

People think GT7 is coming in 2015 or 2016. So maybe that series seems to be getting more frequent releases as well.

Sunset Overdrive is not really like Infamous or Ratchet & Clank. There isn't anything I can really point at on Playstation consoles that resembles Sunset Overdrive.

You're convenietly missing the point yourself that Forza 5 won't sell anywhere near 2M unbundles copies and Horizon even less. Pass glories are great and all but they don't represent the reality. 

More frequent? Wouldn't be anything like Forza's annual milking considering 2 GT's came out for the PS3 and 2 or 3 max will likely come out for the PS4. Hardly frequent over the lifetime of a console now is it.  But you could argue it might become more frequent if they actually make a 3rd one this generation. The series is a bit like GTA in it's release schedual. 

You haven't played the games that resemble it then. A lot of the gameplay they use is just cop-y and paste from another insomniac game called Ratchet and it's quite similar to the PS3 infamous' with the way you move around the map. But yes shockingly it is very like ratcht and clank. I wonder why that is....

Over time I think Forza 5 will do 2 million unbundled. The series has shown decent legs even for predecessors. Its at 1.6 million now with some bundling and we don't know the digital sales.

I never said Forza Horizon 2 will do two million. My guess was 1.5 million life time for X1, maybe 500-600K for the 360. Unless they spend a fortune making those games I assume they're profitable.

The personality and gameplay of SO differs greatly from the games you mentioend. Those are aspects that can affect a games popularity. Hence, the style of SO is niche kinda like Jet Set Radio.