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Soundwave on 25 November 2014
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padib said:
Soundwave said:

My opinion is based on cold, hard data. 

Nintendo's performance is mediocre. 

The Playstation 3 was selling far better than the Wii U even at $500 (again look at the data) and was moving better numbers in third party software all through its lifecycle. 

I don't base my opinion on my personal gaming tastes/wishes. I wish Bayonetta 2 would sell 3 million copies. I wish DKC: TF was a big hit. 

But I'm not going to sit here with a straight face and say "yeah these are selling great, everything is fine". Everything is sure as f*ck not fine, the Wii U is pretty much a full-on disaster for Nintendo that internally they probably wish they could go back to the drawing board with but it's too late now. 

Your opinion is based on a broken model.

In that model, Mario lovers and PS-XB multiplat lovers are the only existing buyers out there. Nevermind NDS owners. They bought the DS for reasons we just don't know.

I'm done here, you've made much better posts before take a break.

For the record I don't wish DKC:TF was a hit. I don't wish Bayo 2 were a big hit. I only care that Nintendo release consoles with large amounts of great games. They pulled it off for the DS, they did not pull it off this gen but a little bit for the 3DS. Until they do that for the U the U is a dud.

So this has nothing to do with some wishful thinking. As I said, I understand Nintendo better than you do and many people on here do. There is a blindspot on these forums that cause people to not understand how or why Nintendo sells and doesn't sell, and that is the DS market. People buy Nintendo platforms when there are good and lush software libraries on them. PERIOD.

The Wii U has Mario Kart, Bayonetta, Hyrule Warrios, Mario 3D World, Pikmin 3, Zombi U, NSMBU, DKC, Rayman, Monster Hunter ... sorry but the "wait till it has more games" excuse went out the window a long time ago. 

It has a far better library now than the 3DS did at the end of 2011 when it started to take off sales wise (for a while anyway). You're just making excuses for poor performance on Nintendo's part. Some of them are pretty tired too, even most Wii U fans have given up using the "it has no games" excuse. 

It has a better library right now than either the PS4 or XB1 and has had a better slate of releases this year than the 3DS as well. 

Aside from one OK month with Mario Kart, it's sold like hot garbage all year long. It apparently just got outsold by the 9 year old XBox 360 in October despite having notable game releases for the last two months ... this is just not good.