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method114 said:
Landguy said:
ethomaz said:

Landguy said:

Only if price does not matter to any of the buyers.  THose buyers would have bought the PS4 anyway.

It is the best deal... what MS have to counter attack?

What is big than PS4 + GTAV + TLOUS at $399?

Wal Mart has a XB1 with 2 games for $329 and they give you a $30 gift card.  So, it is essentially $100 less than the Sony deal.

Yea XB1 deals have seriously been insane even have me wanting to pick one up but it's just so pointless to have both consoles right now (IMO). Neither console maker has any exclusives that really interest me the only games I'm looking forward to are multiplat games. I'll admit Sony's games have me slightly interested simply because any new IP has my interest (throw quantum break into that mix). Overall though exclusives just don't matter to me on either side. Even the new IP's don't scream must have but who knows until you actually play them.

What I really wonder is how much is MS losing on all these deals? Target had a similar deal to walmart but they were giving away a $50 gift card on top of that.

Not sure if they are really losing on them or not or atleast not much.  I was thinking that both Sony and M$ were in the profit zone by $50 or more at the $399 price point.  It doesn't say that anywhere on the net, just my opinion.  I was also thinking that it may be more than that by $30-50.  I think M$ just wrote off the cost of Kinect 2.0 and moved on.  By just ignoring the money invested, the cost to produce the system would go down along with the actual cost of not including it.  The truth is that we will never really know.

M$ clearly decided that if they didn't get mindshare and actual market share in the US this holiday, they would be so far gone that this gen would have been a total loss.  So, even if they are losing $20-$50 per unit at the pint of sale, they can make that back with a XBL sub/renewal or a few games purchased.  Also, M$ is really looking for a whole home ecosystem with the launch of Windows 10(which is excellent) next year, a new Windows 10 compatible phone OS and a system update next year that makes the XB1 Windows 10 compatible.  It's a long view for them.  THey don't mind losing the Console War, but they are more concerned about being blown out the door like what was happening.



It is near the end of the end....