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Mummelmann said:

I think the consensus is that pretty much everything is doing really poorly in Japan (besides the 3DS, actually). And the discussion is highly relevant seeing the massive changes the Japanese market has undergone in the past decade or so. Comparing new devices to old ones and new markets to old ones is more or less the only way to gauge how things are holding up.

And regardless of your examples with the DSi; there is no denying that dedicated handhelds are plummeting compared to the 7th gen. How Japanese sales threads are inappropriate for this subject when Japan is the last bastion for decent handheld sales and currently heading into more and more mobile-oriented territory is beyond me.

Because comparing anything to the international phenomenon that was the DS is just looking for something to be disappointed in. And it's obvious that the "problem handheld" in Japan is not the one on its way to at least 20 million LT sales.

But reiterating weekly that the Vita isn't putting up numbers anywhere near the PSP is boring, no one does it anymore because it's just stating the obvious. Comparing the 3DS to the DS is equally boring and obvious -- and even then, what I'm seeing are people comparing the 3DS YOY sales more than that, which is nonsensical because of course the 3DS is down YOY. I was just illustrating that typically consoles peak in their third year and then decline steadily from there, and that even the mighty DS was not an exception to this trend.

Japanese sales threads are also appropriate places for discussing the massive decline of home consoles sales since last gen, but there's more optimism in this thread for the PS4 and Wii U than either of those consoles deserve.