o_O.Q said:
" No laws need to be added if people could take the time to realize how there actions affect others." that is silly reasoning and i already explained why as long as people have freedom they will do both behavior that falls within the acceptable range and behavior that goes beyond it that is why murder, theft, rape etc happen we know universally in society that these actions are wrong but they still occur there will never be a situation where education can be relied on to stop people from being hurt it can never happen and this is the great lie that feminism proposes that we can all reach a utopian society a place where everyone is treated the same and no one is ever hurt... its a fairytale buddy it cannot happen because it conflicts directly with universal law
"You want this stuff to stop then next time ask yourself how does she feel about my behaviors, am I sending the message I want to send."
it does not matter what i believe i already said that i think catcalling women is both counterproductive and retarded and that men need to withdraw some of the effort they put into appeasing women and use that on themselves what matters is embracing reality
"Maybe start thinking "hey maybe I am going about this the wrong way"."
perhaps it actully works for them at times? i don't know and again i agree that its stupid
"I am for one against any law that would forbid anyone to say hi."
as am i, however, if you are truly serious about destroying the harassment of women then you have to realise that the only way to do so is to leverage the power of the state to reduce the freedoms men have with regards to interacting with women that is the only way otherwise this "problem" will continue to be perpetuated
" I am one who is for informing others how their actions affect others."
lol let me ask you something here when a murderer chooses to aim a gun at someone's head and pull the trigger, do you really believe that he/she is not aware that they are causing harm to someone? well of course they do... but they still kill the person... why? because their interests conflicted with the interests of the person they killed that's why ultimately people are generally going to choose to put their own interests above the interests of others even if it results in harm to another person
i'll give you another example of this in this very thread i had a dialogue with someone else here who claimed that men choosing to talk directly to women is harassment because it may have sexual undertones and may impact negatively on a woman now this is true it is possible that this could result in harm to a woman so the person was willing to demonise any initiation of conversation from man to woman... why? because they put their interests ahead of the interests of men without care for how men may be harmed or affected adversely now obviously this is nowhere near as extreme as murder but the idea is the same it also shows the theme of restriction of freedom being used to ensure safety |
Utopia isn't the goal. Progress can be achieved bia education, look at the civil rights movements of black, gays and other minorities. Is there equality? No, but it's headed more and more in that direction and that's the point.
