o_O.Q said:
well all i can say is that you have a very naive and simplistic view about mascuilinity
"Men do far more damage than women do" yes but you are speaking of the negative you should have put it like this " men do more than women do" and by that i mean that men have contributed by a massive degree more to the building and upkeep of society than women have the structures we use, our forms of communication, our understanding of the universe etc etc etc all of this was done by the drive of men
i'd also like to mention that men are told that we are to protect women because of our power and aggression so as i said previously the current situation is that the contributions of men to society are completely overlooked in favour of calling them demonic brutes when their violence is not being harnassed to benefit women
what's also funny about this situation is that many women encourage men to be masculine and shame them when they do not meet certain standards that depending on the context they then jump around and shame men for... just a funny observation i've made one example : https://twitter.com/HeightismReport height is attractive to women because it makes a man more domineering/imposing
"murder, violence, rape, robbery, abandonment of family/offspring, etc and men far, far outnumber women as the preperators. "
yes that is all true
"That's why the focus should be on men "
well first off you already have a situation where the evils of men are overexaggerated while the evils of women are never discussed but anyway no that's silly reasoning just because the evil that women perpetuate is not overt like that of men it does not mean that we shouldn't discuss it
"Luckily this is slowly changing for the better as testosterone levels of men are dropping sharply in the west which will hopefuly contribute to change in male culture." ok so violence will drop, however, have you considered that there may also be negative effects also? or does that not matter?
"Many men take offense to what women say about the gender as a whole, but if the descriptions fit you then we're not talking about you at all."
my personal problem with it is that as i said previously there is a very one sided view of men that is being pushed currently it does not take into account the whole situation just the negative aspects of men and a situation can never be analysed properly when you choose to disregard a massive portion of it its like trying to understand how a car works by pulling out the engine and disregarding the rest of the car |
So by your admission we live in a patriarchy.
Quote: "and by that i mean that men have contributed by a massive degree more to the building and upkeep of society than women have
the structures we use, our forms of communication, our understanding of the universe etc etc etc
all of this was done by the drive of men"
So now women are saying they want to be involved more and some of the social accepted practices coming from this "patriarchy" they don't like. Which include what this video is showing. Do you not realize how much women were not even allow to contribute or their contrbutions diminished? You are right this society was mostly built on the back of men and conflict by men with women being the cheerleaders of both, but who set them up to be cheerleaders? By your admisson it was men. Yes woman have done some terribly things but you're losing site of the problem when you keep saying some of them do it too. I tell you water is pouring through a hole in my roof yet you keep saying "there is also a tiny leak in the bathroom, don't forget to mention that too". Yes that leak is important and need to be handled but it doesn't need to be mentioned every time we are talking about the bigger problem.
By the way women shaming men and men shaming men are not even close to equivalent. Have groups of woman been known to kill a man because of his lack of masculinty? or even just beat them up? Also who built this standard of how men should be? Do you think woman and men agreed upon this in the society where women barely contribute?
