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BMaker11 on 22 October 2014
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LudicrousSpeed said:
BMaker11 said:

And right on time, you chime in with your textbook sarcasm that completely misses the point. It's not that "no one wants Forza". Just don't talk about how great the game "sold" when the overwhelming majority of the sales are free copies. Especially when the game is bundled with every console during the Christmas season, when console sales are the highest during the year (not just some random time during the year, when console sales are much lower).

Never said Forza was unpopular or that it wouldn't sell on its own. But it's a fact that the millions of copies "sold" for Forza 2, 3, 4, and 5 were free copies (unlike Destiny, for example, which you still had to pay for, albeit saving $10). Until we see the game either A. not get a bundle at all (looking at Forza 2) or B. be bundled much later than the holiday season (3, 4, and 5 were all holiday releases, with 5 still being bundled with Kinect RIGHT NOW), we have no way to verify if "Forza could do 2-3M on its own", when 4M Xboxes are sold in the last 8 weeks of the year, coincidentally right when the game is released and subsequently bundled with every console. And the game just so happens to top out at 4-5M copies sold.

All I was saying was that it was a bad example to defend or even have as a comparison, but you just gotta have your one up, don't you?

I, personally, don't think SO will bomb. Insomniac doesn't make $100M budget games, so it doesn't need to sell 5M to make a profit. With the install base the XBone has right now, I'd say it'd comfortably sell 1.5-1.75M

Judging from the lengthy response, I think it was right on point. Sorry that such low hanging fruit on the argument tree completely destroys your "but.. but... bundles!" theory.

I do like that bolded, underlined, and italicized "fact" you threw right in the middle of your unsubstantiated, opinionated, agenda driven narrative though. So it's a fact, then? Can you please list exactly how the sales break down for each version of the game, then? I mean, so many different ways you can buy Forza. Since it's a fact, surely you can provide sources from Microsoft or Turn10 rather easily. I'll be on pins and needles awaiting the response.

Also, try lightening up a bit. The whole idea that a game doesn't sell as well as people think because it's bundled is, at its core, a stupid idea. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

That fact that those games' sales mostly coincide right with console sales during the time period they were bundled with every console is all I need to know. Such an agenda right? 3.5M 360s sold Late November - Dec 2011 with Forza 4 packed into every console. "Only" 4.25M copies of Forza 4 sold LTD. 515k launch in late October. It stands to reason that if 3.5M 360s have Forza 4 packed in, Forza 4 would "sell" at least 3.5M, right? Much agenda. Such unsubstantiated.