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LGF on 20 October 2014
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Experimental42 said:
LGF said:
 

3D World is arguably the best "refined" entry, hugh? I would say most people think Galaxy 2 is. And critics also (Meta 97 vs 93).

Also, I don't agree that 64 was that revolutionary and sunshine was just a refinement. 64 was at the edge of a revolutionary era (the transition from 2D to 3D). But other games at that time "crafted 3D movement and the camera for virtually every 3D game in existence today" (Tomb Raider, for instance). Sunshine on the other hand, introduced new gameplay mechanics and environments. Also, like 64, was at the state-of-the-art in terms of technology: graphics, physics, etc. Since that time, no more Nintendo games did that. The Galaxies were inovative, yes, but also not more than Sunshine and not as impressive in tech for sure. This 3D World is the first step back in the main Mario series. It may be fun, it may be a solid title, but it's a more limited game.

Super Mario 3D World was heavily stigmatized before its release, so it was doomed to a lower score than galaxy 2 from the start.

Tomb Raider came out 4 months later, had tank controls, and had a camera you couldn't control nearly as much. Mario 64 used full 360 analog and a dynamic camera system. If you've ever played a game where the right stick controls the camera, you can thank Mario 64.

Sunshine added some mechanics but they were simply refinements. They added a few new jumps/powerups and made you wash things. The environments, when stripped of their sparkle are no different than Mario 64. That's not innovation. Especially when standing next to revolutionizing 3D gaming (Mario 64), or revolutionizing the platforming genre through spherical platforms and gravity mechanics (Mario Galaxy).

Super Mario 3D World is a successor to Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario World, not Mario 64/Sunchine/Galaxy. Quite frankly it should have been called Super Mario Bros. 4 and it would have sold better and avoided prerelease stigma, but we know Nintendo's track record on naming things these days. In light of that fact, Super Mario 3D World has all the best elements of Super Mario Bros 1-3 and Super Mario World (except the cape and awesome flight mechanic that came with it) combined into one package, refined to perfection, and placed into 3D world with the most responsive controls in the entire series.

Actually, I think 3D World received a too high score. Looking at games that have grown by x4 in terms of budget receiving 70's and considered the best in the series by those very same reviews (Killzone Shadowfall), I think 3D World was really well treated. But that's another discussion.

Tomb Raider came out 4 months later, but was developed at the same time or do you think that in those 4 months they would implement the "inovations" of SM64?? Those inovations are so obvious that if it wasn't for SM64, it would be for any other game that followed. Do you really think Galaxy introduced platforming in spheres and gravity mechanics?? Let me present you Sonic Adventure 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjZhgDf-jJg) or even Sonic 3 & Knuckles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xzwtsqC5CQ)! The inovations of Galaxy were mostly related to the use of the wii mote.

Regarding the name of 3D World, I actually believe it couldn't have been better. It suggests an evolution of SM World or 3D Land, rather than an evolution of the older SMB3.