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LurkerJ on 19 October 2014
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VXIII said:
LurkerJ said:
An Interestin bit about animals. The guy in the video linked above by your fellow Muslim says that anything non human (even stars?) is considered a muslim. They are in heaven by default as a result. It does make some sense from your religion's perspective at least. However, the merciness part still doesn't sit with me at all. For Allah to call himself the most merciful he has to really go out of his way to show mercy at all times. Which I don't believe he does. 

If you want to believe that the test we are given is fair, just and merciful, go ahead. I, however, believe that Allah doesn't deserve the most merciful award. As I said earlier, it would've been more merciful if we weren't created at all. I would like to hear your input on the discussion I am having with your fellow Muslim here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6760652 . I will understand if don't have the time to do it or you simply don't care enough to continue. Thank you either way.

Cirio explained the idea better than I did.

Answers and truths are not supposed to be given to us on a silver plate. You think god should to be merciful the whole time, and he is. but that mercy is being "held" for those who deserve it until it is time of judgment. Otherwise, it would go against the whole concept of testing who is worthy. God redeems sins for people as God never reject those who seek forgiveness.

Again, Allah can be merciful in your perspective. You seem to believe that creating us just to test us (and praise Allah all day during the rest) and rewarding or punishing us in the afterlife is a form of mercy. I say a greater form of mercy would be not creating us at all. That way non of us would end up in hell for eternity, non of us would suffer in this life or the after. So again, Allah isn't the most merciful.

Moreover, what are the sick new borns that are fated to die being tested for? What bad deeds deserve punishments for eternity? Name the most evil man in history and I'd come up with a suitable punishment that may last for a very long time but definitely not for eternity. Eternal punishment contradicts "the most merciful" claim.

" And those who, when they commit an immorality or wrong themselves [by transgression], remember Allah and seek forgiveness for their sins - and who can forgive sins except Allah ? - and [who] do not persist in what they have done while they know."

 

 

After that he quotes the quran and the Surah mentioned is shown on the screen. I didn't understand what he exactly said.http://quran.com/33/72 is this the same Surah and he was paraphrasing? "Indeed, we offered the Trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it; but man [undertake to] bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant." Who is the man referred to here ? All humans?

Yes, the word "man" also means human. the meaning of Surah that humanity as a whole accpeted to bear the burden.

I don't understand this one bit. As far as I know I am a human and I don't remember being asked. Is there a subtext I am not getting here?

The "indeed ignorant" humanity, which is a creation of Allah, is promised eternal hell in some cases despite the fact that they are ignorant by nature. Eternal punishmet is especially unfair with humans because we are flawed weak beings. I am not convinced Allah is just or merciful.

I am not sure how granting animals heaven makes it OK to make some of them hunt the others and eat them alive. Also animals are not humans, they didn't choose to bear the trust. Yet they are being subjected to pain and murder. What's the point? That's just another occasion where Allah could've been more merciful by not creating non human animals AT ALL.