ohmylanta1003 said:
Purple said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
Again... The market was full of casuals which aren't loyal... Motion controls was a new thing and it was marketed really aggressively towards casuals when it came to the wii so of course casual games will sell well (and not to mention a few of those games came free with the wii like wii sports) just like every other casual stuff... Sure, they were "new IPs" but most of those new IP's werent even good...
And of course the 3ds won't do as good as the DS considering its increasing competition against smartphones... When the DS came out, Phones couldn't play games nor did they have a proper market place like the App store or Google Play and you would be lucky to even get wifi on them so again a lot of casuals bought the DS...
And you can't buy a wiiU for $200 easily... You have to know where to look in order to buy it for $200 and not to mention, its mostly used... If I was a casual and I walk into a retail store like Walmart, I wont be able to buy a wiiU for $200
I think you are not understanding/underestimating how much influence the Casual's had with the wii/DS and now that they are gone, what you are basically left with are mostly people that want the games like Mario and etc as well as IPs that are actually good (new or old)... Both the 3ds and wiiU has a few new IPs coming out and they have new IPs that are already out but the ones that are out are selling poorly cause they are too niche and not very well known!
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The "casual" argument is such a weak one. People bought the Wii and the DS because there was interesting software that people were interested in playing. Whether they were normal people who had normal lives or people who spend their whole lives on internet forums doesn't really matter. One groups money is not more desirable than the others. By refusing to cater to people who are interested in new experiences (the people that forum-goers call casuals), Nintendo are missing out on a massive market. I don't see what loyalty has to do with anything. Consumers will always be loyal to the best product to suit their needs and wants. The market clearly want new experiences from Nintendo. Rehashing existing IP's not so much.
Bolded: This is exactly the point I am making. This is a stupid strategy. It's the strategy of a company that have thrown in the towel. If this is their policy moving forward, Nintendo doesn't have a future.
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I can't disagree more. Jizz has nailed it on the head with every post. People didn't buy the Wii because of interesting software. They bought it because it was a fad. The casual argument is not weak. It's straight up true. The Wii was just a perfect storm of great marketing, lucky timing, and appeal to everyone. I'm a diehard Nintendo fan, but I'll be the first to say that the Wii was a fluke. I think what you're trying to say is that if Nintendo tried to reappeal to the casual market then they would become very successful. And I think you're wrong. Nothing like the Wii will ever happen again. The people that bought the Wii now have other forms of casual entertainment. It almost sounds like you want Nintendo to make another Wii...I'd much prefer them to just continue making the great games that they are.
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People didn't buy the Wii because of interesting software... but I'll be the first to say that the Wii was a fluke.
Im sorry, but this makes no sense whatsoever.
First thing you have to consider. Wii was popular all over the world.
Its appeal was cross cultural, crossed age groups, and other identity groups.
Now, I doubt those millions of people simply passed by a white box and said, that looks great, im going buy it as decoration for my house.
No, they bought the Wii because they wanted to play WiiSports, and only the console allowed for what WiiSports was offering.
Just like many people bought the balanceboard to play WiiFit.
Software always sells hardware... but Hardware can refresh, reinvent and innovate software.
But if there is no software... or not enough good software to make use of the hardware, the hardware itself as a game console is worthless.
Therefore, there is no intrinsic value to buy a console itself except for the games it can play.
At this moment, people who can afford to buy consoles, are not buying the WiiU because it is well known
it will not get certain very popular games from some of the biggest game publishers in the world.
How do people know this? Because those third parties have said so.
It has nothing to do with the console itself.
You want to play Madden? Dont get a WiiU
You want to play Destiny? Dont get a WiiU
You want to play CoD? Dont get a WiiU.
etc.
You want to play Bayonetta 2? Get a WiiU !
Is Bayonetta as an IP as big as a CoD or a Madden? No.
